09-11-2006, 08:38 PM
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We love just about all of Montana! But given our desires and needs, Missoula seems maybe our best choice. Any thoughts about our choice, and/or about living in Missoula? Below is a little more about us and our thinking.
We're currently Northern Californians (one a native, one an East Coast transplant much more familiar/comfortable with "real winters"), both age 60, very outdoors-oriented (flyfishing, hiking and running, downhill skiing mostly) with a bias towards University environments and - although we currently live in a very politically conservative area - are more liberal than conservative. Other stuff; we'd want a reasonable ability to get back to see grandkids in NorCal during winter. Because of our age we have some concerns about medical facilities. Lastly, we're not terribly upscale-oriented and we always want to get involved with whatever community we're in.
Sorry to be wordy but appreciate your thoughts!
09-11-2006, 09:30 PM
Location: Western North Carolina
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It sounds like you would really like Missoula, especially if the both of you are outdoors oriented because that is mostly what there is to do here. I'm afraid that if you did not like the outdoors you would be pretty bored. The town of Missoula is the college town for the University of Montana. If you like college football, people here seem to really support and enjoy Griz football. There are plenty of eating places in downtown Missoula, and all of the most sought-after stores are here (Starbucks, Target, Lowes, Home Depot, Wal-mart (2 Walmarts, 1 is a Supercenter), etc. I actually live in the Bitteroot Valley near Missoula. It is more quiet and peaceful here in the valley than in Missoula, but within easy driving distance to Missoula, when you want to go. The town of Hamilton, Montana is great for retirees, it is a charming, quaint little town with older bungalows, and has a K-mart and grocery stores, etc. right there in town. The housing is pricey though (and yes, the locals are blaming all of you RICH Californians for moving here and driving up the housing prices), but every other person you meet here now is from California, so you will fit right in. Hope this helps, from an insider's point of view!
09-12-2006, 07:45 AM
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I lived in Missoula for 2 years recently and from what you say I think you will like it. We moved from the east coast so it was quite a change. Its a small town and it takes awhile to understand the culture there.Winters are really long and summers had lots of fires when we were there. The smoke was so bad for 6 weeks in the summer, you could barely see the sky. There are may good restaurants in Missoula and lots of good breweries. It's light till 10 pm in the summer and dark very early in the winter. The snow is not that bad and they have no snow days there for school. Its a great university town, which makes a huge difference. Airline flights are expensive in and out of Missoula.The people are terrific . The farmers market in the summer is fantastic. Good luck and have a great time there.
09-12-2006, 12:37 PM
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I grew up in Missoula but haven't lived there for 15 years. Just go back a few times a year to visit my mom and mother-in-law. It sounds like you would enjoy Missoula. The weather in the winter isn't so great - just grey and overcast most of the days (inversions) but the rest of the year makes up for it. It is expensive to fly out of anywhere in MT. The restaurants are good there and the Farmers Market is fantastic. I graduated from the University of MT and the town is Griz crazy. It's great.
09-13-2006, 04:11 PM
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Thanks to all you folks thus far for your input. Your input really helps us understand what it is like to live there and that's very important to us. Based on what you have had to say, it really seems like we would like Missoula, and perhaps the Bitterroot Valley near Hamilton or closer would be a good choice as well. We'll have to come up with a strategy for dealing with the long winters, though. One of us is prone to some depression issues and we're concerned that the grey-ness might get a bit overwhelming. We'll probably go there for a few weeks in the dead of this coming winter to see what it's like for ourselves. Again, thanks very much.
09-13-2006, 05:44 PM
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Thanks to all you folks thus far for your input. Your input really helps us understand what it is like to live there and that's very important to us. Based on what you have had to say, it really seems like we would like Missoula, and perhaps the Bitterroot Valley near Hamilton or closer would be a good choice as well. We'll have to come up with a strategy for dealing with the long winters, though. One of us is prone to some depression issues and we're concerned that the grey-ness might get a bit overwhelming. We'll probably go there for a few weeks in the dead of this coming winter to see what it's like for ourselves. Again, thanks very much.
The greyness is overwhelming after a time. It's a good idea to check it out yourselves in the winter. The other direction to go is North out of Missoula - towards Polson. We lived in Arlee for 7 years (about 10 years ago) and it would be gorgeous and sunny there - drop off Evaro hill into the fog and gloom. My mother-in-law lives in Ronan. The views of the Mission Mountains from St. Ignatius, Charlo, Ronan, Polson are fantastic. Flathead Lake is there at Polson. Huge lake. Beautiful. Anyway, it might be something to check out as the weather is so much better that direction. Missoula is at the mouth of 5 valleys so they get inversions there - the clouds and fog come in and don't move.
09-15-2006, 11:21 AM
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MHT- just out of couriosity, what highschool did you graduate from? I also grew up in Missoula and have not been back there since 1990...when i was half way through highschool.....I really miss Montana, and hope to eventually get back there to live.
09-15-2006, 11:40 AM
Location: Sarasota
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Rex,
Missoula tends to have much more weather issues in the winter than over here, east of the divide. We tend to have beautiful sunny, clear, blue sky days and less snow since we are south of Missoula and quite a bit east, therefore not so inline with the weather systems that come across from Seattle etc.
The Jefferson Valley does not have bad winters and not much snow. My elevation here is 4300' and I'm sandwiched between two mountain ranges so in kind of a rain shadow. This is truly a banana belt area. In the time I've lived here (close to 10 yrs) I've never seen more than 12" of snow and that only happened once! Since then, it's just a few inches here and there.
You would be less than an hour drive to Bozeman where there is a first rate university and lots of cultural happenings, good shopping, skiing etc. BUT you will have blue ribbon fishing out your back door. The Jefferson River is right here and has huge trout...not tons but it's a quality thing, not quantity. Then just down the road, where the Winston Rod Co. is, there are more top notch rivers to choose from, ie: The Ruby, Beaverhead, Big Hole not to mention a short drive to the Madison and less than two hours to Yellowstone Park.
There is a ski area on the other side of Butte behind Anaconda close to Georgetown Lake (Discovery) where you can ski very inexpensively...much more so than Bridger Bowl out of Bozeman or Big Sky. (or Missoula for that matter)
You would have access to either Butte or Bozeman for airports and be right off I-90 for convenience.
I'd give it a look because I think you will find the weather is better over here. The only thing is, the elevation is a little higher, so spring comes a little later. But, housing is also much less expensive over here with more land and fewer people. If you doh't have to worry about driving to a job every day, this area would be perfect for what you want.
Good luck to you!
12-23-2006, 01:08 AM
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Yes Missoula sounds right for you. And, we have some of the best medical facilities in the North West (doctors like it here too). It is cold, wet, rainy, snowy, whatever, for 9 months of the year. The airport is small and therefor easy to deal with, planes are only commonly delayed for a few hours in the mornings during the winter. Just also remember that there are locals in the woods hunting from September until January. Some people aree suprised at how active the mountains are, particularily during rifle season.
12-23-2006, 10:33 AM
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Chirping in on this one if I may....
I lived in Missoula for 20 years... moved to Great Falls in 1991 and haven't ever had the desire to go back.
Missoula's only seemingly saving grace anymore these days, is the fact that it resides in Montana.
There are 3 things that irritate me about Missoula.......
#1 Traffic
#2 Traffic
#3 Traffic
and not necessarilly in that order.
If you ever plan to drive from Missoula to Polson, or other points north, you better plan to pack a lunch.... the traffic can be a bearcat.
(same can be said for points south of Missoula)
Be prepared for folks pulling out in front of you at the very last minute and then doing 35 miles an hour in a 65 mile per hour zone. (totally oblivious to there being anyone else on the road but them)
Another thing is the gloominess in the winter months, and it does get quite gloomy. The daylight only really lasts as long as it does on the west end because the time zone change from mountain to pacific time is only 50 miles away to the west..... notice I said "daylight"...... this is because direct sunlight is inhibitted by the mountains.
If you are looking for "liberal"..... well then by golly, Missoula is the place to go for sure. There are only about 2 natives for every 10 transplants living in the Bitterroot valley any more, so you should do just fine. It always best to pick a place where folks have the tendancy to think alike.
I like the sunshine, and we here on the eastern slope of the Rockies get sun, and lots of it, most all year round. Of course, then, we might be a weee bit more conservative too.......
Either way, I'm quite sure that you are going to choose the best place for you and your living situation requirements.
Good luck, happy holidays and welcome to Montana...... yer gonna luv it here.
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People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)