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Old 01-05-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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Having lived in one of the most diverse areas of the country for most of my adult life, I can't really say that I understand the preoccupation with this.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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Having lived in one of the most diverse areas of the country for most of my adult life, I can't really say that I understand the preoccupation with this.
Ok, so diversity doesn't really affect where you chose to live? That's fine. I don't see why you have a problem if it affects me. I'd feel most comfortable living in an environment where I have the opportunity to interact with people of different races on a daily basis. A lot of cities brag about being diverse, hoping to attract more residents. It's not as if my preferences are unpopular, so why wouldn't you understand them?
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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For whatever reasons, larger cities are going to have more of what you're looking for. Seattle would be my top pick for that, as I'm more familiar with the area. Long, long ago I lived in Denver, for a very short while. What I remember of that was working with a diverse group, but being told not to go to certain areas because I wasn't one of the majority in the area. Like I said, that's a long, long time ago. But I had come from Seattle and found that kind of a shock.
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Old 01-05-2013, 02:27 PM
 
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For whatever reasons, larger cities are going to have more of what you're looking for. Seattle would be my top pick for that, as I'm more familiar with the area. Long, long ago I lived in Denver, for a very short while. What I remember of that was working with a diverse group, but being told not to go to certain areas because I wasn't one of the majority in the area. Like I said, that's a long, long time ago. But I had come from Seattle and found that kind of a shock.
Thank you for your insight. I'm still trying to decide whether big cities are right for me.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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Ok, so diversity doesn't really affect where you chose to live? That's fine. I don't see why you have a problem if it affects me. I'd feel most comfortable living in an environment where I have the opportunity to interact with people of different races on a daily basis. A lot of cities brag about being diverse, hoping to attract more residents. It's not as if my preferences are unpopular, so why wouldn't you understand them?
I wasn't knocking your preoccupation, just trying to understand what you think it will add to your existence. Because while it is an increasingly popular concept, as you said, it is a silly, manufactured one.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Having lived in one of the most diverse areas of the country for most of my adult life, I can't really say that I understand the preoccupation with this.
I've never understood the preoccupation with diversity in a town. Sure, it's good, but should never be a primary reason for moving somewhere. The main focus about choosing a place to live should be if you can afford to live there and make a decent living.
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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Bluegardener, as an educator I can't help but weigh in. I know you're young--probably the age bracket of most of my students--and I can tell that you have an open mind and are willing to do research. And you're interested in surrounding yourself with a vibrant variety of humanity. That's wonderful. But I do have to caution you: You are buying into the notion that racial diversity is somehow a positive cultural aspect in and of itself. But that would indicate that you believe racial diversity (simply the fact that people come from different races) equals cultural diversity, as if the fact that one has a certain skin color automatically translates into being part of a certain cultural group, with certain interests and attitudes. I hate to have to say this, but racist tendencies around the world have been based on such assumptions. The term (and phenomenon) you're looking for is ethnic diversity, I believe, and that has only a coincidental connection to race. Ethnicity has to do with cultural traditions. You can have plenty of ethnic diversity in a place with a racial majority, and you can have extreme cultural homogeneity in a place with much racial diversity (such as on a college campus where the predominant culture is "being a student").

That being said, I'd also suggest Portland or Seattle--unless you're willing to take a second look at your diversity requirement and give Missoula a try, and focus on the diversity of the different ethnic legacies present in NW Montana, or simply enjoy meeting people as individuals, not as members of a group. If you go to a racially diverse place, that's how I hope you'll choose to encounter people there, anyway.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:18 PM
 
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I love that Missoula is both industrial and suburban, and I also love how close it is to the mountains. Overall, Missoula's environment seems really friendly and inviting. However, I was disappointed to read on wikipedia that its population is almost entirely made up of white people. I'm not opposed to temporarily living in a place where one race makes up 92% of the population, but it's really important to me that the place I settle down in is diverse.
So I've been having a lot of difficulty finding a place like Missoula (a small town feel, near mountains, industrial and suburban), but more diverse. It doesn't necessarily have to be in Montana. Also, it doesn't matter to me which race is in the majority, but I don't want any race to be much higher than 70%. I would also prefer if no minority is under 1%.

Just to note: I'm still in school right now and it will be a while before I buy a house, so I might change my mind by then.
No idea if this is applicable to you personally (and this is not a personal attack), but what I have found from many people when they are looking for more "diversity" is that they are simply looking for more people who look differently but think exactly the same i.e. perfect conformity to a certain ideology where actual diversity of thought and opinion is intolerable.

Coming from where I live "diversity" and "tolerance" are simply Orwellian terms used by Leftists who are perfectly willing to accept living with all minorities, gays, handicapped, etc. but ONLY as long as they share the same Leftist ideology as themselves (or are even more radical Leftist). Living with someone like Malcolm X or Van Jones would be cool, but living in the same neighborhood as someone like Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell would be simply unacceptable. Gays are cool with them as long as they support Diane Feinstein, but completely unacceptable if they support Marco Rubio.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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No idea if this is applicable to you personally (and this is not a personal attack), but what I have found from many people when they are looking for more "diversity" is that they are simply looking for more people who look differently but think exactly the same i.e. perfect conformity to a certain ideology where actual diversity of thought and opinion is intolerable.

Coming from where I live "diversity" and "tolerance" are simply Orwellian terms used by Leftists who are perfectly willing to accept living with all minorities, gays, handicapped, etc. but ONLY as long as they share the same Leftist ideology as themselves (or are even more radical Leftist). Living with someone like Malcolm X or Van Jones would be cool, but living in the same neighborhood as someone like Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell would be simply unacceptable. Gays are cool with them as long as they support Diane Feinstein, but completely unacceptable if they support Marco Rubio.
Exactly. I can't see myself living somewhere that isn't somewhat diverse because food is important to me, and I like being within walking distance of every imaginable kind of restaurant. But regardless of where you live, if you don't have the capacity to see every person you interact with as a unique individual, you have issues. I have a lot of non-white friends - because we have things in common - but their non-whiteness adds exactly nothing to my life.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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Exactly. I can't see myself living somewhere that isn't somewhat diverse because food is important to me, and I like being within walking distance of every imaginable kind of restaurant. But regardless of where you live, if you don't have the capacity to see every person you interact with as a unique individual, you have issues. I have a lot of non-white friends - because we have things in common - but their non-whiteness adds exactly nothing to my life.
Visit Berkeley, CA sometime (the most extreme example). They celebrate non-Whiteness. They celebrate you if you are gay. Just don't be a conservative minority or gay. Diversity of thought is the most important kind of diversity there is (who cares if everyone looks different, but thinks and acts exactly the same--that's just boring ol' comformity), and if you deviate and wander off the plantation of liberal thought, then your diversity simply is unacceptable and won't be tolerated.

That was my point.

Most people have no problem with diversity, but most Leftists I've interacted with say "diversity," but mean "strict adherence to conformity of liberal thought."
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