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Old 08-09-2008, 12:29 AM
 
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Those are actually some pretty good pairings. Grated, I have not been to a few of the places, but from what I know about each, those are some good comparisons.

I guess another possible pairing would be Helena - Bismarck, for obvious reasons.
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Old 08-09-2008, 03:25 AM
 
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Those are actually some pretty good pairings. Grated, I have not been to a few of the places, but from what I know about each, those are some good comparisons.

I guess another possible pairing would be Helena - Bismarck, for obvious reasons.
I knew I was forgetting somewhere Not as close in character as the other pairs, but they do share function. Tho I think if I were to pair 'em for character, Bismarck might be closer to Butte. And Helena would be like the old gracious parts of St.Paul.

Lessee...anywhere else? How about....

Devil's Lake=Sidney
Mandan = Browning
(Well, it was a match when I lived in Bismarck... 1960ish. Dunno what it's like now!)
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:49 AM
 
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I'll take your word on some of those smaller cities in Montana, since I don't know as much about them.

I don't really know what Bismarck was like in the 60s, as I was born in 1979, but today it is growing rather fast. Definitely the 2nd fastest in the state after Fargo. Not that many towns in North Dakota are growing, so even a little growth is positive here.

I know we in Fargo roll our eyes sometimes in the winter when it is occasionally below zero here and Bismarck and western ND is 40 or 50 above, and those temps never make it this far east. I guess maybe it'll be like that in Missoula to a lesser degree. They'll be in an inversion while the east might get a warming chinook wind.
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Old 08-11-2008, 06:37 PM
 
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I think you'll like Missoula & have no problems with being excepted. Most people I know aren't even from Montana , myself included. I never worried about being accepted anywhere that I lived.Everyone is welcome here. The only people I hate to see here is all the sexual offenders & bums begging on every corner. Billings is really nice to.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:36 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The only people I hate to see here is all the sexual offenders & bums begging on every corner. Billings is really nice to.
I'd be interested how you "see all the sexual offenders"? Do they have some sort of sign on them I've been missing? Maybe a big "S" on their forheads? Please inform the rest of us, enquiring minds want to know...
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:23 AM
 
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Missoula newspaper for one will list the sex offenders & also their names are listed on a Montana sexual offender site. They give names & address. That's how I know. Why does that seem to offend you?

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I'd be interested how you "see all the sexual offenders"? Do they have some sort of sign on them I've been missing? Maybe a big "S" on their forheads? Please inform the rest of us, enquiring minds want to know...
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:00 PM
 
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I lived in Missoula a couple of years back, and made the mistake of opting to move to Billings for my job. Now I am desperate to get back to Missoula. When it comes right down to it, Missoula is still a small, Montana town, that just has the benefit of having a very liberal college in it. The left wing aspect really comes from the university. Once you leave the campus, it's just another rural, mountain town.

Having said that, if you're in the market for a mate, Missoula has one of the smallest percentages per capita of singles, and is becoming infamous for the inability of the single person to find a signficant other. Something you should seriously take into consideration.

If none of the things above scare you off, take the leap. The quality of where you live will largely depend on you, and what you make of it.
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:56 PM
 
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Missoula newspaper for one will list the sex offenders & also their names are listed on a Montana sexual offender site. They give names & address. That's how I know. Why does that seem to offend you?
Because until they do the same to all the paroled murderers (and there are a few) and A&Bers and various other criminals of violence against others -- it's unfair to single out the "sex offenders" -- ESPECIALLY since that's such a broad brush. A few are indeed violent or dangerous, but probably half the convicted "sex offenders" are not. Furthermore, something to think about for those who are "afraid for the children", it points the finger away from the most usual culprit in child sexual assault (someone in the child's own family) and redirects public attention to the bogeyman down the road instead.

Some 17 year old kid recently got ten years in prison for "kiddie porn" (which makes him a "sex offender"). Why? He took pictures of himself and his 16 year old girlfriend having consensual, LEGAL sex (the age of consent in his state being 16), and posted the pics on some social networking site. But because she's under 18, he's now a convicted child pornographer under the law, and will be listed as a "sex offender" for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, this isn't an uncommon example of how the classification is abused (happens this case was recently discussed in depth on another forum, so it's fresh in my mind).

What happens when some vigilante-nutjob picks that kid's name out of the hat and decides today is the day of retribution? Or do you really think these lists aren't a backhanded way of making these "sex offenders" into targets?

By contrast, most places it is illegal to post anyone else's name and address with the intent of making them a target (such laws having been needed to protect the lives of abortion doctors, and now of researchers that use laboratory animals as well).

In 2001, Corpus Christi, Texas started placing "DANGER" signs on the homes and vehicles of some "sex offenders" (without regard for whether the offense was a genuinely predatory abuse or a chance encounter with a consenting but underage girl). Does this remind you of a law passed by a certain gov't from ...oh, about 65 years ago now... warning citizens of certain "undesirables" living in their neighbourhoods??

But as we all know, "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". I just don't agree with modern-day witch-hunting.

Last edited by Reziac; 08-12-2008 at 03:00 PM.. Reason: typos, typos, forgotten stuff, typos....
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:08 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Because until they do the same to all the paroled murderers (and there are a few) and A&Bers and various other criminals of violence against others -- it's unfair to single out the "sex offenders" -- ESPECIALLY since that's such a broad brush. A few are indeed violent or dangerous, but probably half the convicted "sex offenders" are not. Furthermore, something to think about for those who are "afraid for the children", it points the finger away from the most usual culprit in child sexual assault (someone in the child's own family) and redirects public attention to the bogeyman down the road instead.

Some 17 year old kid recently got ten years in prison for "kiddie porn" (which makes him a "sex offender"). Why? He took pictures of himself and his 16 year old girlfriend having consensual, LEGAL sex (the age of consent in his state being 16), and posted the pics on some social networking site. But because she's under 18, he's now a convicted child pornographer under the law, and will be listed as a "sex offender" for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, this isn't an uncommon example of how the classification is abused (happens this case was recently discussed in depth on another forum, so it's fresh in my mind).

What happens when some vigilante-nutjob picks that kid's name out of the hat and decides today is the day of retribution? Or do you really think these lists aren't a backhanded way of making these "sex offenders" into targets?

By contrast, most places it is illegal to post anyone else's name and address with the intent of making them a target (such laws having been needed to protect the lives of abortion doctors, and now of researchers that use laboratory animals as well).

In 2001, Corpus Christi, Texas started placing "DANGER" signs on the homes and vehicles of some "sex offenders" (without regard for whether the offense was a genuinely predatory abuse or a chance encounter with a consenting but underage girl). Does this remind you of a law passed by a certain gov't from ...oh, about 65 years ago now... warning citizens of certain "undesirables" living in their neighbourhoods??

But as we all know, "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". I just don't agree with modern-day witch-hunting.
Very true and to add to this I also get soooo tired of hearing and reading "town (insert name) is not safe because of all the sex offenders living in it" which after you understand how that list is generated and not maintained you'd understand it's pure bull dinky. I also get slightly ticked how easy sheeple will just believe what ever is written in the paper like it's on stone tablets or something, and then pass judgement instead of looking for themselves.
That's why I challenged your post, not that I think you don't have good intentions which I'm sure you do but please look with your own eyes and good sense. If there were so many bad people there you wouldn't know so many good ones.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:26 AM
 
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This is why I hate reading the paper or watching the news. 1- it is all said, never hear anything very uplifting in the news, and most of the time when you do it starts with a terrible story. 2 - most of it is bull**** reporters can take simple stories and over emphasize things to make them get twisted. Then you tell people semi-truths and semi-lies. Misinformation is a lie to me. I do read and watch the news, but only cause I like to be informed on somethings like weather and current events. But I don't take any of it too seriously. That said.

I agree their needs to be some differentiation on so called "sexual offenders" between the violent ones and the 17/18 yr olds which get labeled in the same category. I knew a kid that this happened too as well. 17 goin on 18, in college met up with a 16 yr old (FBI agent) and was labeled/convicted as a sexual offender. It is a shame good kid too.
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