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Old 06-03-2007, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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....First off, I will admit that much of Oregon outside of Portland, Bend, Eugene and Corvallis does in fact suck. If you want to see where I talk of this, just look at the Oregon thread.....
Portland, Salem, Eugene, Corvallis, "Are" the reasons why Oregon sucks.......

I used to sit atop Skinners Butte and wonder what Eugene was going to look like in 30 years...... I never thought it would ever turn into the filthy town it is now, not even in my wildest dreams.

As a matter of fact, the entire Willamette Corridor is ruined beyond repair.

And Lake Oswego?..... I've got friends that are just dying to get out of that hole. Two moved over to Billings just 3 short years ago and they can't be happier about it.

Yup...... good ole Oregon...... A true Socialist Republic that one is for sure......

I was once young, just like you.... brain filled up with all of these big ideas.... and then.... something happened..... I grew up, and put away such nonsense.

I'm not going to sit here and beat brambles over brush about this......
But do take my word for it...... I know more about Oregon, than most middle aged Native Oregonians do.....
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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California has the fifth LARGEST economy in the world. Largest does not equate to best. China has a large economy too.

As for the minimum wage, it's a price control and price controls historically don't work. Wages should be allowed to adjust to the ebbs and flows of the market - if they don't, supply for labor will often excede demand during an economic downturn, resulting in sweeping unemployment. You don't have to be a redneck to understand that concept.

As for Portland's glorious welfare state, it obviously isn't helping kids graduate high school and college, now is it? :P

And finally, you don't actually think that Montana is ugly, do you? As I'm sure JoeJoeMan would love to point out, Californians and Oregonians move to Montana with their #1 reason being the scenery. Transplants and tourists alike are drawn to it; Montana's #1 industry is tourism. I guess if you like flatlands, factories, and warehouses Montana is ugly, but otherwise....
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Yes, Montana's towns are extremely ugly. Just take a look at Butte, or Billings, or those big brown dirt mounds that surround Missoula. Sure, Montana has beautiful aspects -- such as Glacier -- but those are only areas for visiting. I'm not saying Montana isn't a great state to visit, especially if you're the outdoors type. However, the people in Montana are horrid, the economy completely sucks, and the towns are ugly as hell. I can find no redeeming qualities in living in Montana. Even if you lived in the more natural areas, with beauty, you're still faced with the problem of nothing to do, and harsh winters. There's only so much you can do outdoors, and then you want to go to a world class play, or a real concert (not some local country band). GiftShoppeGuy, it looks to me like your ideal setting is some sort of ranch or something. Well, for most people, this is not at all what they want. Even my father, who is looking to retire, doesn't want to be in Montana. He is looking to move to San Diego, where the weather is warm and there is a ton more recreation. As I have said before, Montana totes itself as some sort of outdoor recreation paradise. Well, what does Montana really have? It has snow, mountains, and that's about it. California has snow, mountains, beaches, and just about anything else you can think of. You'd be hard pressed to find an activity that can be done in Montana, and not in California, or even Oregon.
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Old 06-03-2007, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Also, NYMTman, I would love to see the statistics that say Oregon has 50% of the populace on welfare. I would also love to see the source that says Oregon is facing the same urban plight as NYC. These would be rather interesting, especially since my friend is a GIS major / city planner, and Portland is often cited as the most well planned city, and having the best public transportation...
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Old 06-03-2007, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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>>> ... Well, what does Montana really have? ... <<<

Montana has us... and it suits us. It's what we want, and we enjoy our lives here.

True, Montana might not be everyones good cup of hot Joe, but it does suit those who would prefer to be here.

Not everyone who comes here is going to like it.

I like it because it's my home, and has been for many many years. My family first came here in the 1870's down 'round Big Hole Country, and we've been here every since......

As far as age and retirement??... Well, I can't see the logic at all as to why so many old folks are moving here to retire... cold weather isn't all off and friendly with old bones most of the time.

As far as education??.. Call me a dumb-ole-clod-kicker if you will, but I graduated the University of Oregon and did 4 more post grad at the University of Washington before coming back home to be the tallest hog in the trough.

Montana has been more than kind and generous to me and my familty over these many years. And if I be conservative, then by golly, so-be-it..... 'cause I'm just too darned old or stubborn to be anything else.

Oh, and on a side note, and a little off the cuff, so you'll have to pardon me;

If I want to see a "World Class Play", I usually hop a flight to New York... because they don't have those on the west coast.
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Old 06-03-2007, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Cody, Wyoming
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Well I really hope your right that most people prefer that urban paradise that that you think is so qreat, that way they stay out of places that don't have everything you would ever want, just the basics like MT, WY, or any place with the same qualities.
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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That's funny, because many Broadway hits come here to Portland, and many more down to Los Angeles. I don't even have to hop on a plane, or pay any great deal of money, I can just go into my fantastic city. In order to do anything of that sort in Montana, you have to hop on a plane -- talk about a long/inconvenient commute!
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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That's funny, because many Broadway hits come here to Portland, and many more down to Los Angeles. I don't even have to hop on a plane, or pay any great deal of money, I can just go into my fantastic city. In order to do anything of that sort in Montana, you have to hop on a plane -- talk about a long/inconvenient commute!
Not long and inconvenient at all, that is... if you've "got the money" to do it... it's really quite nice to get out and meet folks on occasion.

Sure.... the plays can come to Portland..... and so can the union contracted crew to put it on.... who incidently..... just happens to live in Seattle.... for instance.

Nope... I really don't mind the flight, especially if I know I'm going to see "all" of the original cast and crew that puts it on.
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:08 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Default meet me in Montana

I thought I would put in my 2 cents worth ( advice is worth what you paid for it ).As a Midwesterner, and not a west coaster, I may have a more tempered point of view ( We don't get out much).
Missoula in my mind ( could be a song), is a nice place. been there a few, met some nice people, a couple of lurks, a jerk or two, ( they were Bushies),but mostly , a nice place to visit. A little lite on places to eat, looks clean , compared to most other cities in Montana ( Great Falls excepted),and overall, one of the better capital cities in America.......O', dam, I forgot, its Helena, . I wonder why so many forget that about Missoula ?
I would live there, and , the people I know who live there , love it !...............Just outside Missoula, there is a place called Montana.........go see it. its Big sky country, something for everyone, at least for part of the year. I would also hop the border, and take a look at Idaho.........can't get much better than that. Anywhere Hemmingway lived , or visited a lot , is good enough for me.............
issoula ?
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Norcross Georgia
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Smile Crazy People

For someone who is going to be moving to Missoula within a very short amount of time to attend U of M (sorry to those of you who don't like us "whippersnappers" . I'm going to be adding to that number), I am finding this thread not only highly entertaining, but very informative. You all seem to have your own views and opinions about Missoula and Montana. Some are bad and some are rather glowing and some are just downright dramatic. For example, the woman who was upset because someone flipped you off for your bumper sticker. If you didn't want reactions to the thing, you shouldn't have stuck it on your car. And the whole thing about them not liking you because you were overweight...unfortunately you're going to find that everywhere and not just in Missoula. So either lose the weight you're uncomfortable with or grow a thick skin.
Anyway, I must admit I was a bit scared to read what Montanans had to say about Missoula and what other people who've lived there had to say about it but after reading this thread, I'm more than convinced that Missoula is the right place for me. I'm not exactly an outdoorsy type. I do like to take a book outside and read and I also like to photograph landscapes but other than that, I can't do too much because of a bad leg injury. And I understand there isn't much in lieu of "young" entertainment which isn't a big deal for me because I'm not a partying person, not in the least. And compared to the big cities I'm used to (i.e. Dallas, Atlanta, Jacksonville) I'm sure Missoula will be a bit of a culture shock but I'm not looking to live in a big city like Dallas anymore. But, to the point, I wanted to thank all of you for all the information you posted. It was nice to read the unabashed opinions and I hope the Montanans I meet when I move there will be just as colorful as all of you...that was a compliment by the way.
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