04-06-2010, 09:01 AM
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Hi!
Okay, so I was recently accepted to Montana Law and I've been browsing the board looking for answers to questions/concerns I have about Missoula before I make my final decision. Since I can't find much besides "Missoula sux!" and "Missoula is the best place evar!" [edit: this isn't exactly true, but there seems to be a good amount of MT residents that are trying to "dissuade" outsiders from pursuing residency in Montana], I'm just going to start up a new thread and hope I get some good responses
Here's the situation. I've lived on the east coast all my life: NJ, VA, NYC, now Boston. I'll be 29 in May and have a great girlfriend. We were both sick of our go-nowhere "careers" and decided to apply to schools. She was not accepted at any school, I was accepted at a few, including Montana Law. I have until April 15th to put a deposit down and I'm weighing our options.
For me, I have heard that there are careers for someone coming out of Montana Law in Montana. I know the salary may be comparatively low to the nationwide average, but the cost of living in Montana is also low. My biggest concern is for my girlfriend.
She is currently finishing her Master's in Museum Studies from Harvard and wants to, maybe not now, but at some point in the future (perhaps after I get out of law school and we can move elsewhere in the state), get into museums in Montana. She is afraid that there are low opportunities for that, even in Billings or a larger city in Montana.
She has been an exec. assistant and office manager in Boston for the past 7 years and wouldn't mind doing something similar, but I'm not sure if they even have a need for that kind of person in Missoula. Overall, what kind of employment is there for someone with her experience? Is it hard to find a salaried position? Are there new and growing businesses moving into Missoula? What kind of salary can she expect?
Also, moving from the East Coast may be a bit "shocking". Is there enough arts/culture that life isn't super boring? We love the outdoors - camping, hiking, fishing, etc., but are there concerts, art galleries and festivals to keep us happy? What else can you tell us about the Missoula winters? Are they really that bad?
Last thing. We heard it's difficult to get in and out of Missoula (like travel). She's afraid that if there is an emergency, it would be difficult or expensive to come back east to be with her family. Is this true?
Thanks in advance for all your help!
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04-06-2010, 09:41 AM
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Hate to comment on my own post, BUT...I know that I should visit before I come to live there, but it's just not feasible, just as it's not feasible to visit everywhere we applied to school. My girlfriend and I are hardworking people and we, unfortunately, don't have the funds to visit
[EDIT: We are certainly not your average "Trust-ifarians" or "Brat-agonians" that are going through a quarter-life crisis and want to move to an "open and clean" space. Although we are from the East Coast, neither of us are particularly privileged, and, although we love the outdoors, know that there is more to living in a place than bunny rabbits and pristine mountain springs. We don't look down on anyone and care more about contributing to a community than exploiting it for personal gain.]
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04-06-2010, 10:24 AM
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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I don't live in Missoula, and tend to fall into the "Missoula Sux" crowd, but if you have lived in Boston you should fit right in there.
For your Girlfriend, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation is in Missoula and has a fabulous Elk and wildlife museum. I don't know if they are hiring, but Montana is no slouch when it comes to world class Museums.
The Museum of the Rockies in Bozeman is one of the best in the world especially in the Dinosaur wing under Jack Horner.
The Montana Historical Society in Helena has a collection from the Pleistocene to present and has constantly revolving exibits and interactive activities.
There is the Military Museum at Fort Harrison with exibits from every war Montana has sent our people to fight in.
Malta has a new museum that showcases Leonardo, The mumified Hadrosaur that made headlines around the world and is part of the Dinosaur Trail from the Hell Creek formation near Glendive, the Missouri Breaks all the way to Egg Mountain near Choteau. Some of the best dinosaur fossils and opportunities ever found.
In Great Falls there is the Charles M Russel museum.
Billings has the Alberta Bair.
Just about every little or large town in Montana has at least one museum. I don't know what the opportunities for curators are, but she could spend a lot of time traveling around the state and seeing some one of a kind exibits available no-where else.
As to entertainment, last weekend had the Walking With Dinosaurs show in Billings. Robotic life size Dinosaurs with a light and sound show that was out of this world.
Lots of concerts around the state with the Summer Fair Season coming up.
Opportunity and entertainment are there, it just depends on what you want to see.
Lawyers we have more than enough of....
04-06-2010, 11:55 AM
Location: State of General Disarray
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Missoula doesn't suck, it has pluses and minuses, just like everywhere else.
Missoula has several museums and art galleries. We have a children's museum, art museum, and an historical museum as well as the Rocky Mtn. Elk Foundation museum. I think there are more. Anyway, there are opportunities for a museum career here. If they're not hiring now, your girlfriend can certainly volunteer, which brings me to my next two points:
--Nobody in Missoula is hiring for anything, ever. Yeah, I'm exaggerating, but it's hard to find a job here, and when you do, expect your employer to pay you nothing and try to exploit you. Don't blame the economy, either -- Missoula has always been this way. Most of the jobs you will find will be in the service sector, hence low-paying (i.e., minimum wage).
--One of the great things about Missoula is that there are a TON of volunteer opportunities for people who are looking to get involved, whether out of a sense of brotherly love OR out of being bored and unemployed, ha ha. One complaint I have NEVER heard about Missoula is that there's no sense of community. There's almost too much sense of community here!
I would also say the cost of living here is NOT low! Housing and utilities are quite high compared to wages here.
You're right about travel -- it's very difficult. It wasn't so hard in the past to catch a flight, but the airlines in their infinite wisdom have cut many of their routes and now it's not only difficult to get out (or in), it's also insanely expensive. This adds to my theory that the airlines are minions of Satan out to cause as much earthly suffering as possible (they're good at it, too).
OK, on to stuff to do. The best thing about Missoula, hands down, is that there are three National Recreation Areas within fifteen minutes of town: Blue Mountain, Pattee Canyon, and Rattlesnake. If you enjoy hiking and/or mountain biking, you have a ton of trails to explore. In town, we have the First Friday Art Walk and in summer, the farmer's markets, which are super fun for people watching as well as shopping. There's a concert somewhere in town just about every night, though we don't tend to draw big acts for a lack of big venues.
Oh, and by the way, winter does really, really, really, suck. It's long and cold and boring. (Unless you like to ski). And summers are very hot and dry and frequently smoky, from forest fires. And the pine beetles are killing our trees -- major bummer.
So, all that being said, Missoula is a great place to hang out for a few years if you're into outdoor recreation. If that's not really your thing, you will be bored here. Also, if you want/need to make money, that's probably not going to happen for you here.
04-07-2010, 09:08 AM
Location: NW Montana
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Can I be really honest?
I am from Oregon, here now about five years.
I was too fast paced for here when I came.
I walked too fast, talked too fast, could and did juggle 65 tasked at one time. Never thought to ask for time off for the dentist, car repair ect....
I had to change. Good or bad that is what had to happen. I still have to reel in my impatience on the job because I am a taskmaster. Really used to lots of competition and that is not a trait well received here. Now notice I am in Eastern MT and the two side of Montana are quite different. More outsiders on the Western side but the ground floor is still original Montanans with their original way of doing things. Unless your GF is a paleontologist there is no way she will be able to use her skill set. Now if you think she can sew crochet her time away while you are in school then go for it. Otherwise I think
Lewis & Clark Law School would be a good match if they have openings, she would have access to PDX and SE-Tac for her jobs.
Good luck, and apologies to my neighbors, they know I love them here on CD. Just want you to be realistic and you post sounded like you wanted the hard core version.
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05-07-2010, 08:21 PM
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I live in Missoula. Given the description of things you value in a place I'd say that you'd be happy here. Fantastic arts community, farmers markets, outdoor recreation, etc... usually listed in the best places to live magazines.
Downsides are what others have mentioned. Getting in and out of here is very expensive. Flights to Boston are typically around 700 if purchased in advance. As far as the Museum profession goes Montana cannot compare to New England. There are very few museums here and those that are here probably only have a few permanent staff. Unlike the East where heritage tourism is more common, the natural resources are the bigger draw here. Yes, you'll find state and national parks that offer historical interpretation but those jobs are few and far between. So as far as museum work goes the prospects are slim.
06-30-2010, 12:42 PM
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Hi,
I am from Upstate NY and recently moved to Missoula. I too had lived on the East Coast my whole life. I miss it terribly and I count down the days till I can move back. Living here is a lot cheaper, however finding a job is hard and pursuing a career here is worthless. I moved here for my boyfriend and don't really like it and I am not sure if your girlfriend will. If you just want to hike every single day than you will love it. Coming from the East Coast we have to ability to travel quickly and we have access to a lot of different activities. I would recommend staying where you are. I plan on moving the the North Shore area when my boyfriend graduates. I will most likely visit again since his parents live in MT, I would never choose to live here.
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Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)