Missouri's Proposition B Relating to Dog Breeders (Belle: inspector, cost)

[aragx6]

I've said it in this thread and I'll say it again -- the slippery slope argument is nonsensical. If and when a radical bill or ballot measure comes up I will vehemently oppose it. But this was not radical and anyone who claims it is either has their own agenda or is listening too steadfastly to those who do.

[jifwittle]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

Yes, I do believe many voters are naive.
I do exclude myself from that group...I want to know, and I make a point of doing so.

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

This type of bill is just a foothold for radical animal rights activists, that, as usual, name call and tell everyone who doesn't drink the kool-aid how stupid they are.

Isn't that what you were doing by implying that anyone who voted for the bill must be naive?

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

Originally Posted by aragx6

I've said it in this thread and I'll say it again -- the slippery slope argument is nonsensical. If and when a radical bill or ballot measure comes up I will vehemently oppose it. But this was not radical and anyone who claims it is either has their own agenda or is listening too steadfastly to those who do.

It is radical and anyone who claims is is not either has their own agenda or is listening too steadfastly to those who do....

It is all about where you stand, I suppose.

Today, our Senate is working on this bill as we speak....trying to exempt those who will be negatively affected by the bill as it stands. Doesn't it concern you that the very groups who pushed their agenda with this bill, are the ones who also exempted themselves from its provisions? Do you see the impropriety and injustice of that? Do you see the danger of their being one set of rules for the masses, and one those making them?

[jifwittle]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

It is radical and anyone who claims is is not either has their own agenda or is listening too steadfastly to those who do....

It is all about where you stand, I suppose.

Today, our Senate is working on this bill as we speak....trying to exempt those who will be negatively affected by the bill as it stands. Doesn't it concern you that the very groups who pushed their agenda with this bill, are the ones who also exempted themselves from its provisions? Do you see the impropriety and injustice of that? Do you see the danger of their being one set of rules for the masses, and one those making them?

The bill is meant for licensed for-profit dog breeders. There is a huge difference between a profiting breeder and a non-profit rescue group. How can you group together businesses and non-profit organizations? That makes no sense.

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

Originally Posted by jifwittle

Isn't that what you were doing by implying that anyone who voted for the bill must be naive?

No, I am involved in politics and I can tell you that it is very easy to sway most people, especially those who don't know the issue and its impact on their lives. Very often people vote one way or the other because their families vote that way, or they like the guy, or his wife, or his clothes, or he has lots of money, he must know what he is doing.

The more some voters are exposed to media of any type, true or false, the more likely they to lean that way, if they are not informed about all facets.

We see that every election year, constant political ads, hoping to put that face on the television and voice on the radio, so that you will vote that candidate. Just how much information do those ads give us? Not much, and sometimes it is not even true. For the same reason, we see yard signs and billboards for candidates, it's all about the face time, and radical groups know it and use it to their advantage.

[Kings Ranger]

Originally Posted by aragx6

I've said it in this thread and I'll say it again -- the slippery slope argument is nonsensical. If and when a radical bill or ballot measure comes up I will vehemently oppose it. But this was not radical and anyone who claims it is either has their own agenda or is listening too steadfastly to those who do.

WOW
the ignorance...
its all opinions, to some its radical, to you, its just a bill

[latetotheparty]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

It is radical and anyone who claims is is not either has their own agenda or is listening too steadfastly to those who do....

It is all about where you stand, I suppose.

Today, our Senate is working on this bill as we speak....trying to exempt those who will be negatively affected by the bill as it stands. Doesn't it concern you that the very groups who pushed their agenda with this bill, are the ones who also exempted themselves from its provisions? Do you see the impropriety and injustice of that? Do you see the danger of their being one set of rules for the masses, and one those making them?

please explain to me how requiring adequately sized, clean and safe living quarters, clean water, clean food, safe temperatures, appropriate exercise, appropriate rest between breeding cycles and regular vet care is RADICAL??

because i just don't get that concept........

[jifwittle]

Originally Posted by MoBornSouthernBelle

No, I am involved in politics and I can tell you that it is very easy to sway most people, especially those who don't know the issue and its impact on their lives. Very often people vote one way or the other because their families vote that way, or they like the guy, or his wife, or his clothes, or he has lots of money, he must know what he is doing.

The more some voters are exposed to media of any type, true or false, the more likely they to lean that way, if they are not informed about all facets.

We see that every election year, constant political ads, hoping to put that face on the television and voice on the radio, so that you will vote that candidate. Just how much information do those ads give us? Not much, and sometimes it is not even true. For the same reason, we see yard signs and billboards for candidates, it's all about the face time, and radical groups know it and use it to their advantage.

I can see that my point was lost on you.

[jifwittle]

Originally Posted by latetotheparty

please explain to me how requiring adequately sized, clean and safe living quarters, clean water, clean food, safe temperatures, appropriate exercise, appropriate rest between breeding cycles and regular vet care is RADICAL??

because i just don't get that concept........

Thank you!

[MoBornSouthernBelle]

Originally Posted by jifwittle

The bill is meant for licensed for-profit dog breeders. There is a huge difference between a profiting breeder and a non-profit rescue group. How can you group together businesses and non-profit organizations? That makes no sense.

It affects ALL owners of animals, whether they breed and sell for profit, or as a hobby breeder, or only own an altered animal. It was presented to the public as a "Save the puppies" bill.....which was not what it was about, since regulations were all ready in place to handle those situations. Why didn't peta and h$u$ donate that $5,000,000 (million) dollars in money to the State of Missouri so they could hire more inspectors? Seems to me that may have been money well spent since is would provide jobs for more Missourians.