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Old 02-14-2013, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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Ok and where on that map does it show IOWA is south midland? That's what I was referring to, and the map doesn't show that at all..."South Midland is NOT a variety of Southern dialect. South Midland covers at least half of Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, and Kansas, and is bounded on the south by the Ohio River." Also why have your views on the south midland dialect suddenly changed, is it just to try to disagree with me? That was a direct quote you had in the past. Admit it that no where on any of those maps does it show Iowa to be in the south midland dialect region. Please offer me one quote that shows this according to that study.....I'll be waiting.
The North Midland region stretches from east to west across central and southern Ohio, central Indiana, central Illinois, Iowa, and northern Missouri, as well as Nebraska and northern Kansas where it begins to blend into the West. Major cities of this dialect area include Kansas City, Omaha, St. Louis, Columbus, Ohio, Cincinnati, and Indianapolis.
PLEASE DISPUTE THIS I AM WAITING.

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Old 02-14-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: MO
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It was entertaining to drop by the Iowa forum. People there were describing the Southern Iowa counties that border Missouri as having a "light southern accent"...another person said those counties have a "missouri twang". Everything is relative on who you are talking to I guess. I find that quite humorous because to me those people probably sound like they are from minnesota.
A friend of mine from Iowa practically lives on the Missouri-Iowa border. He doesn't have the flat General American accent, he sounds northern. Absolutely nothing southern about it. There are parts of Missouri where he might sound pretty normal, but all of those places are probably north of I-70.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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Exactly. It is not south midland speech. I dont know what he was thinking saying Iowa has south midland speech, I am interested to see how he tries to somehow justify what he said, lol.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: MO
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Exactly. It is not south midland speech. I dont know what he was thinking saying Iowa has south midland speech, I am interested to see how he tries to somehow justify what he said, lol.
stlouisan is usually pretty accurate. I'm sure it's an honest mistake. I looked at the map and I see what you are saying. I am sure I've seen a different linguistic map that includes the southern quarter of Iowa in the south midland dialect. Never been there so I don't know how accurate it is but like I said the guy I know doesn't even really sound like he speaks south midland.

According to the map that I am thinking of I should have the same dialect as someone born and raised in Omaha, NE. I remember laughing about that. Overall the map that stlouisan posted seems pretty accurate, even if it was based on urban areas primarily.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Tippecanoe County, Indiana
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I think some rather strong southern influences extend northward and include counties like Saline, Bates, and Lafayette. Historically, these places alligned themselves much more closely with the rest of the South as well.
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Branson, Missouri
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the fact is the exact dialect study he cites i looked up and those were the findings I posted, which do not include iowa in the south midland dialect region.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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the fact is the exact dialect study he cites i looked up and those were the findings I posted, which do not include iowa in the south midland dialect region.
People from Iowa suggested that southern Iowa has a light southern accent. You were the one who stressed this point on me to begin with. That's what made me suggest southern Iowa might be south Midland dialect. And Gunner is right in that some maps do include southern Iowa as having the south midland dialect.

Maybe these people are right or wrong. I made a suggestion, not a claim. If it came across as a claim, I retract it. Please stop this ridiculous attack. Are you happy now, or are you just interested in having a fight?
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I think some rather strong southern influences extend northward and include counties like Saline, Bates, and Lafayette. Historically, these places alligned themselves much more closely with the rest of the South as well.
Maybe you're right. However, these places are not the South by today's standards.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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stlouisan is usually pretty accurate. I'm sure it's an honest mistake. I looked at the map and I see what you are saying. I am sure I've seen a different linguistic map that includes the southern quarter of Iowa in the south midland dialect. Never been there so I don't know how accurate it is but like I said the guy I know doesn't even really sound like he speaks south midland.

According to the map that I am thinking of I should have the same dialect as someone born and raised in Omaha, NE. I remember laughing about that. Overall the map that stlouisan posted seems pretty accurate, even if it was based on urban areas primarily.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Since you guys have finally settled on a parameter to use to 'define the South', I will throw this 'linguistic' study into the conversation

American English Dialects

It appears this chart uses Interstate 44 as the dividing line between Central Midland and Inland South. Not really into the study of how people pronounce words myself, but if you are into this kind of stuff, it appears to be an extensive study, presented in easily understood laymen terms, with numerous youtube links the author uses to make a point, or to dispute his own findings.
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