Where in Missouri does the South begin? (Rolla, Ozark: transportation, rated)

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by SW Missouri Dave

Since you guys have finally settled on a parameter to use to 'define the South', I will throw this 'linguistic' study into the conversation

American English Dialects

It appears this chart uses Interstate 44 as the dividing line between Central Midland and Inland South. Not really into the study of how people pronounce words myself, but if you are into this kind of stuff, it appears to be an extensive study, presented in easily understood laymen terms, with numerous youtube links the author uses to make a point, or to dispute his own findings.

That is a pretty neat project, and was updated very recently it looks like. That may be the map I was thinking of actually.

[Dawn10am]

I have a feeling that this thread is just going to go on and on an on with everybody's opinion on what the "South" actually means and where they feel like it is. Then it will die down and in a few months someone will ask the same question and we'll reopen the old can of worms again. I guess that's just par for the course for a border state, right?

[brushrunner]

Well I've had something beat out of me and picked up women up North because of my Southern Accent,I know not strong but got the job done



brushrunner

[stlouisan]

Originally Posted by brushrunner

Well I've had something beat out of me and picked up women up North because of my Southern Accent,I know not strong but got the job done



brushrunner

If you're from Boonville, a South Midland accent is what you have. Now, granted, I could see why you would think it's Southern, as it has over 70% in common with Southern accent. And most people, without an education on linguistics or familiarity to the accent, would think it's Southern.

[lmcintyre1s]

The line, in my opinion, is when you come down out of the Benton hills and get into cotton country. You can follow the line southwest along the hills all the way across to Crowley's Ridge and on to the Poplar Bluff area. Anywhere south of that line.

[cyrano]

I think there's too many exceptions to the rule, or leakages through any such line, for the line to be defined anywhere. At best, it's a spectrum going south, with things getting more southern as you go. An example to me is Lambert's Cafe, the subject of another thread. It's like southern cooking but not really southern, which is why for me it fails. Go eat at Mrs. Wilkes' Dining Room in Savannah and then come back and tell me you really prefer Lambert's.

There are good ol' boys driving pickups with Confederate flags on them north of here (Columbia), but that ain't the south. There are large parts of the Ozarks that aren't southern at all and lots of people there would be insulted if you called them southern. There's the blending of culture (not to mention politics) in rural areas all over the country, meaning that in many ways, rural Minnesota has more in common with rural Arkansas or Mississippi than either place has with Minneapolis or Jackson (MS). Part of adopting that culture means developing a taste for, say, Alan Jackson or Ron White, even if you live in rural Iowa or New Hampshire.

It's a big country. People move around. People even change somewhat, but some things don't change, or do so at the speed of a pre-global warming glacier. I still can't get a chicken fried steak in Missouri that comes remotely close to Hoover's in Austin. Actually (warning- positive remark about Kansas coming), Kansas has some really good CFS. Don't ask me why, but they do.

[lmcintyre1s]

Originally Posted by cyrano

I think there's too many exceptions to the rule, or leakages through any such line, for the line to be defined anywhere. At best, it's a spectrum going south, with things getting more southern as you go. An example to me is Lambert's Cafe, the subject of another thread. It's like southern cooking but not really southern, which is why for me it fails. Go eat at Mrs. Wilkes' Dining Room in Savannah and then come back and tell me you really prefer Lambert's.

There are good ol' boys driving pickups with Confederate flags on them north of here (Columbia), but that ain't the south. There are large parts of the Ozarks that aren't southern at all and lots of people there would be insulted if you called them southern. There's the blending of culture (not to mention politics) in rural areas all over the country, meaning that in many ways, rural Minnesota has more in common with rural Arkansas or Mississippi than either place has with Minneapolis or Jackson (MS). Part of adopting that culture means developing a taste for, say, Alan Jackson or Ron White, even if you live in rural Iowa or New Hampshire.

It's a big country. People move around. People even change somewhat, but some things don't change, or do so at the speed of a pre-global warming glacier. I still can't get a chicken fried steak in Missouri that comes remotely close to Hoover's in Austin. Actually (warning- positive remark about Kansas coming), Kansas has some really good CFS. Don't ask me why, but they do.

Lambert's is for non-locals who don't know the difference lol. Most folks around here only go there when we have visitors from out of town.

[LoveTheUSA]

Originally Posted by cyrano

I think there's too many exceptions to the rule, or leakages through any such line, for the line to be defined anywhere. At best, it's a spectrum going south, with things getting more southern as you go. An example to me is Lambert's Cafe, the subject of another thread. It's like southern cooking but not really southern, which is why for me it fails. Go eat at Mrs. Wilkes' Dining Room in Savannah and then come back and tell me you really prefer Lambert's.

There are good ol' boys driving pickups with Confederate flags on them north of here (Columbia), but that ain't the south. There are large parts of the Ozarks that aren't southern at all and lots of people there would be insulted if you called them southern. There's the blending of culture (not to mention politics) in rural areas all over the country, meaning that in many ways, rural Minnesota has more in common with rural Arkansas or Mississippi than either place has with Minneapolis or Jackson (MS). Part of adopting that culture means developing a taste for, say, Alan Jackson or Ron White, even if you live in rural Iowa or New Hampshire.

It's a big country. People move around. People even change somewhat, but some things don't change, or do so at the speed of a pre-global warming glacier. I still can't get a chicken fried steak in Missouri that comes remotely close to Hoover's in Austin. Actually (warning- positive remark about Kansas coming), Kansas has some really good CFS. Don't ask me why, but they do.

The Ozarks are large though. It literally covers half of Missouri, and reaches all the way to Stl county.

West Plains, Branson, Poplar Bluff, Van Buren, Mountain Grove are all in the Ozarks and are NOT Midwestern. Well Poplar Bluff is literally half in the Ozarks.

Sikeston is a Southern City. No Midwestern there as well.

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by LoveTheUSA

The Ozarks are large though. It literally covers half of Missouri, and reaches all the way to Stl county.

West Plains, Branson, Poplar Bluff, Van Buren, Mountain Grove are all in the Ozarks and are NOT Midwestern. Well Poplar Bluff is literally half in the Ozarks.

Sikeston is a Southern City. No Midwestern there as well.

Changed the username pattern huh?

[LoveTheUSA]

Originally Posted by GunnerTHB

Changed the username pattern huh?

Btw why does it say MO Ozarks in your title when you live in Cape??