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Old 05-07-2013, 11:35 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Republicans have been telling me this since i was in my 20's (40 Years ago)

"when the sh** hits the fan"

When is the sh** going to hit the fan. Have you been watching the news lately. The economy is humming along. WE are digging our way out of the mess the republicans stuck us with. Economist from all sides have said it couldn't be done by anyone in 4 years and we have came along way.

SO WHEN IS THE SH** GOING TO HIT THE FAN?
It has. 9.5 million people have left the labor force since Obama took office. The labor force participation rate is at an all time low. These people are no longer counted, which is why the official unemployment rate is "only" 7.5%, which is still historically high, especially 4 years into an alleged "recovery."

Meanwhile, he's added trillions in debt - much more than any of his predecessors.

Take a look around you. The "SH**" has hit the fan and is continuing to hit the fan.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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Millions had to be added to save the economy.. Didn't bush leave office with the economy being in worse shape than ever?
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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The Great Depression of the 1930's would be the worst shape ever.

The economic woes at the end of the Bush administration had roots in the Clinton years, but is actually much more complex than "let's blame this one guy over here......."
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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The democrats were in control of the house and senate the last two years of bush.
why dont you try blaming them also.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Millions had to be added to save the economy.. Didn't bush leave office with the economy being in worse shape than ever?
Trillions have been added, not millions. Are you asking me if I agree with your liberal talking point? Of course not.

Everyone recognizes the economy began tanking under Bush. But Obama is now in his second term. At some point he needs to take responsibility for what is happening NOW.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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Trillions have been added, not millions. Are you asking me if I agree with your liberal talking point? Of course not.

Everyone recognizes the economy began tanking under Bush. But Obama is now in his second term. At some point he needs to take responsibility for what is happening NOW.
And the economy is better than it was by a long shot.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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So Obama, who you undoubtedly support, tried to use Sandy Hook/Newtown to shift the public debate away from his failed economic policies to gun control, and now you are upset that Republicans at the state level are reacting to that national agenda to restrict gun rights with legislation aimed at protecting gun rights in Missouri? Why isn't Obama doing anything about the economy? Oh, because he's tried and all of his ideas have failed?

Besides, you previously brought up what they are trying to do in Missouri to spur economic growth, which is cut the state's marginal tax rate:

//www.city-data.com/forum/misso...t-new-tax.html

As I recall you weren't too keen on that idea, but I will wager it will work better than anything Obama has tried at the federal level. You cannot tax and spend your way to prosperity.
Oh please! If Obama had done nothing, Republicans would be screaming, "Obama doesn't care about kids getting shot!"

Really? You think when some nut shoots up a school and kills little kids that there will be no response? It's just like work or school. It only takes one idiot doing something wrong or stupid to screw it up for everyone else and cause new rules.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Tippecanoe County, Indiana
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It has. 9.5 million people have left the labor force since Obama took office. The labor force participation rate is at an all time low. These people are no longer counted, which is why the official unemployment rate is "only" 7.5%, which is still historically high, especially 4 years into an alleged "recovery."

Meanwhile, he's added trillions in debt - much more than any of his predecessors.

Take a look around you. The "SH**" has hit the fan and is continuing to hit the fan.
The continued shrinking percentage of people participating in the labor market is a huge result of changes in demographics as a larger and larger percentage of the population is now retired and no longer working. You can spin the stats different ways, but net job growth has been positive for a number of years now. It will take awhile to recover every single job that was lost in a short time period when the Great Recession hit everything the hardest in 2008.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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The continued shrinking percentage of people participating in the labor market is a huge result of changes in demographics as a larger and larger percentage of the population is now retired and no longer working. You can spin the stats different ways, but net job growth has been positive for a number of years now. It will take awhile to recover every single job that was lost in a short time period when the Great Recession hit everything the hardest in 2008.
The aging population as the Baby Boomers are retiring is a *small* part of the lower labor participation rate. The real reason is that businesses are sitting on cash rather than expanding as they are trying to ride out the reign of socialist Democrats. Obama and the Democrats are heavily anti-capitalist, as evidenced by their actions over the past 4+ years. Obamacare and the unelected EPA are major drivers as businesses are hoarding cash to pay penalties from Obama telling certain industries that "we will bankrupt you" as well as the massive cost increases/penalties from Obamacare. That leads to lower employment as companies keep paring off all but the absolute most essential employees and divisions in order to preserve their margins and reduce their fine cross-section. The 50 employee/30 hour limit in Obamacare is a big factor here if you look at the latest job numbers. Twice as many people were involuntarily forced from full time to part time jobs than "new" jobs were created. We have about as many people employed today as we did in the early 1980s...when we had FAR fewer people in the country.

So in summary, there was a small recession in 2005-2006 when the housing market bubble burst, which was really due being massively bid-up due to cheap government-persuaded loans being offered. That bubble would have been a little dip in the road except we had Obama get elected. He did the same crap F***ing Dumb*ss Roosevelt did and lo and behold we had the same outcome- a prolonged depression. Ditto with the Supreme Court shredding the Constitution- the "Switch in Time that Saved Nine" was an embarrassment just as was "Obamacare is a tax on a lack of activity." At least FDR's lifetime reign of ruin led us to have term limits and Obama has to go in 2016. Hopefully saner minds will prevail and we'll start the slow process of pulling out of Obama's disastrous reign with a series of conservative adults in office cleaning up the mess the infantile Democrats left behind. I am hoping that will happen, otherwise we'll simply get to the same point later and with much more misery in between. I am floored that the supposedly pro-scientific liberals are willing to completely ignore the evidence of literally the entire field of psychology and economics during about the past 90 years. Keynes was wrong, Marx was wrong, and Pavlov was right. Give people free stuff and they won't work. Tax income and people won't work. You can't borrow your way out of debt. Disarming people will embolden criminals, including the government. It's that simple but they can't get out of the way of their own corruption to see it.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:57 PM
 
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Anyone that calls FDR a dumbass is suspect in my book. Read some history, why don't you. The Depression was easing in 1937, until Congress instituted.............(drumroll).............aust erity! Congress became focused on balanced budgets instead of keeping people working and keeping money flowing. When you have a major economic downturn and employers aren't hiring, then it is up to the public sector to hire. That is what stimulus is. If you can't understand that, then you are the ****ing dumbass, not Roosevelt. Your idea of the GOP taking back power, though, is basically a fantasy. We are in the middle of a realignment leftward. Unless the GOP is willing to drop the fake American southern baptist evangelicals and their hatred for modernity, it is and will continue to be a party in the past tense, and/or confined to the south and far west. It's that simple.
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