Time wasting ignorance by legislators (Creve Coeur: 2013, crime, houses)

[Versatile]

We need people that will fix te economy and not create bills of ignorance. I see education indanger,our public saftey and the economy in danger and they come up with House Bill 436.

Missouri bill would void federal gun laws, okay machine guns for residents | fox4kc.com

“The people of Missouri want their legislators focused on sensible solutions to gun violence, instead of grandstanding with ridiculous, unconstitutional declarations that the federal government has no authority to address our national gun violence problem.

[brushrunner]

Well for one I think we should have what ever we want.

brushrunner

[GunnerTHB]

So the governor's veto can be overridden on something that will be ruled unconstitutional, but we can't override his veto on a tax cut? Wow, very telling. What a joke.

[SunGrins]

Missouri's General Assembly...I hesitate to call it a legislature...has got to be in the top three worst in the nation.

[marigolds6]

On the bright side, since this law will also block the enforcement of federal regulations on firearms manufacturers, I think we can expect a burgeoning new business in mail order firearms companies who will buy and sell full auto weapons out of Missouri.
While totally illegal under federal law and a violation of the laws of other states, this law will make it a crime for any LEO in Missouri to arrest them for those crimes.

[Versatile]

The Veto override failed.

[nealrm]

We passed term limits in Missouri a few years back. At the time we had state representatives that understood how to write a law that was constitutional, would accomplish what it intended and had limited adverse effects. But people became worried because some talking heads started complaining because good representatives were being re-elected. The premise was they were too tied to special interest and lobbyist. So we passed term limits. Now we have a bunch of inexperienced representative that
1) repeatedly pass poor legislation. Legislation that doesn't do what it intends. Legislation that is unconstitutional. Legislation that has unintended effects.
2) Because they have little experience they are required to rely more on others. Those they rely on tend to be the lobbyist. The lobbyist have been there longer and know the system better.
3) After their first term don't have any incentive to listen to the people. They can't be re-elected. So it's very tempting to start preparing for employment after their term. Some factors that need favors are willing to exploit that.
4) They are not interesting in developing long term relationships. If you are going to be leaving to a few years, what's the point in developing relations with other representatives. That fight you pick today won't affect you when you aren't there next term.

Bill 436 is a great example. There no way it would pass a legal challenge. So it wouldn't do what it intended. In addition, the wording made it illegal to even write an unrelated story on a gun owner. From start to finish it was a very poorly written and thought out bill.

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by nealrm

We passed term limits in Missouri a few years back. At the time we had state representatives that understood how to write a law that was constitutional, would accomplish what it intended and had limited adverse effects. But people became worried because some talking heads started complaining because good representatives were being re-elected. The premise was they were too tied to special interest and lobbyist. So we passed term limits. Now we have a bunch of inexperienced representative that
1) repeatedly pass poor legislation. Legislation that doesn't do what it intends. Legislation that is unconstitutional. Legislation that has unintended effects.
2) Because they have little experience they are required to rely more on others. Those they rely on tend to be the lobbyist. The lobbyist have been there longer and know the system better.
3) After their first term don't have any incentive to listen to the people. They can't be re-elected. So it's very tempting to start preparing for employment after their term. Some factors that need favors are willing to exploit that.
4) They are not interesting in developing long term relationships. If you are going to be leaving to a few years, what's the point in developing relations with other representatives. That fight you pick today won't affect you when you aren't there next term.

Bill 436 is a great example. There no way it would pass a legal challenge. So it wouldn't do what it intended. In addition, the wording made it illegal to even write an unrelated story on a gun owner. From start to finish it was a very poorly written and thought out bill.

I agree with you.thanks

[Versatile]

An explanation of the Ignorance.

Nixon

House and Senate Democrats both noted the bill would make it a misdemeanor crime for newspapers and anyone else to publish the names, addresses or other identifying information of any gun owner.

They said that would prevent the publication of pictures and stories about successful hunters.

Rep. Jill Schlupp, D-Creve Coeur, argued before the House vote: “A pedophile with a gun will be protected from having his name published.

“A drug dealer will be invisible from the public, if he owns a gun.”

The Missouri Press Association voted last week to file a lawsuit challenging the law, if both houses had overridden the governor.

[northbound74]

Originally Posted by nealrm

We passed term limits in Missouri a few years back. At the time we had state representatives that understood how to write a law that was constitutional, would accomplish what it intended and had limited adverse effects. But people became worried because some talking heads started complaining because good representatives were being re-elected. The premise was they were too tied to special interest and lobbyist. So we passed term limits. Now we have a bunch of inexperienced representative that
1) repeatedly pass poor legislation. Legislation that doesn't do what it intends. Legislation that is unconstitutional. Legislation that has unintended effects.
2) Because they have little experience they are required to rely more on others. Those they rely on tend to be the lobbyist. The lobbyist have been there longer and know the system better.
3) After their first term don't have any incentive to listen to the people. They can't be re-elected. So it's very tempting to start preparing for employment after their term. Some factors that need favors are willing to exploit that.
4) They are not interesting in developing long term relationships. If you are going to be leaving to a few years, what's the point in developing relations with other representatives. That fight you pick today won't affect you when you aren't there next term.

Bill 436 is a great example. There no way it would pass a legal challenge. So it wouldn't do what it intended. In addition, the wording made it illegal to even write an unrelated story on a gun owner. From start to finish it was a very poorly written and thought out bill.

I kind of get what you're saying, but those arguments sound a lot like the problems we had with career politicians. The one exception would be the lack of good relationships among legislators.