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Old 11-04-2020, 12:35 AM
 
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Polls very wrong again. President Trump won by nearly 16 points. Mike Parson also won by a huge margin too with polls showing him winning about 6 to 8 points. 24 seats in the MO Senate and 114 in the house. Could be 115 because in one district the Republican is only down 25 votes so a recount will take place there.

Most important is that amendment 3 passed as well narrowly by just under 3 points.

The democrat party basically has been wiped out in MO.

Ann Wagner also won by a larger margin than she did in 2018 as well.

 
Old 11-04-2020, 02:08 PM
 
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Most important is that amendment 3 passed as well narrowly by just under 3 points.
Fantastic news for gerrymandering!
 
Old 11-04-2020, 05:34 PM
 
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Fantastic new for Americans!
 
Old 11-04-2020, 06:20 PM
 
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Missouri is no longer a relevant state politically at the national level and is an economic laggard overall, losing younger and middle aged people to other cities and states with much stronger job growth... Regardless of one's opinion on this matter, Missouri is not a right to work state, therefore "some" companies looking to expand or relocate will automatically pass it up for other states.
 
Old 11-04-2020, 10:26 PM
 
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Missouri is no longer a relevant state politically at the national level and is an economic laggard overall, losing younger and middle aged people to other cities and states with much stronger job growth... Regardless of one's opinion on this matter, Missouri is not a right to work state, therefore "some" companies looking to expand or relocate will automatically pass it up for other states.
So do you think this is why states like Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi don't have a lot of job growth because they're so heavily conservative and Republican dominated? None of them really have a lot of electoral votes and in elections hardly anyone mentions them and the two parties spend very little Money in these states because they already know someone like Trump will easily win it anyway.

Missouri is basically a right to work state defacto though the way it operates on wages.

When talking about that though most industries with high paying skilled corporate or tech jobs are not union anyway so really right to work doesn't have a lot of say in it.

I can see with manufacturing but those are not the type of jobs that pay as much as white collar jobs anyway that are not union.
 
Old 11-05-2020, 10:10 AM
 
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Missouri is no longer a relevant state politically at the national level and is an economic laggard overall, losing younger and middle aged people to other cities and states with much stronger job growth...
Indeed. When I was a kid and young voter Missouri was a bellwether state. Then it became a follower of trends. Now it is a bad joke. I didn't realize how bad the state was perceived and performed until I left after 65 years and saw what other states were able to accomplish. If you are stuck in the tar pit you think everyone is the same. I am a native and worked in government, city and state, for 37 years and watched it transition from rational and responsive government with compromise and innovation to what it has become today -- a political hack laughing stock. But, as H.L. Mencken, said "People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard." Getting it very hard might bring some rationality and reform. What rules government in Missouri now is mostly not party but the urban-rural divide in all its many facets...only one being party.
 
Old 11-05-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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Indeed. When I was a kid and young voter Missouri was a bellwether state. Then it became a follower of trends. Now it is a bad joke. I didn't realize how bad the state was perceived and performed until I left after 65 years and saw what other states were able to accomplish. If you are stuck in the tar pit you think everyone is the same. I am a native and worked in government, city and state, for 37 years and watched it transition from rational and responsive government with compromise and innovation to what it has become today -- a political hack laughing stock. But, as H.L. Mencken, said "People deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard." Getting it very hard might bring some rationality and reform. What rules government in Missouri now is mostly not party but the urban-rural divide in all its many facets...only one being party.
The other factor is the political flips as well. Missouri completed this 20 years ago, Arkansas and Kentucky also did theirs a bit more recently as well.

before this the states at the federal level would vote democrat as well more so that the west but would vote for Republicans if they were conservative enough.

Democrats became too liberal in the 90s and this slowly started the flip to Republican in Missouri.

You also had a lot of old voters in rural Missouri who voted Democrat due to the civil war and being raised to do so. You saw this in Southeast MIssouri, Little Dixie area, and parts of the Ozarks if you look at historical voting patterns. MO, KY, and AR behave in similar ways. That's how those three states seemed more moderate up until about 20 years ago. People were still stuck in their ways voting democrats until they finally had enough and voted Republican.
 
Old 11-05-2020, 11:58 AM
 
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So do you think this is why states like Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi don't have a lot of job growth because they're so heavily conservative and Republican dominated? None of them really have a lot of electoral votes and in elections hardly anyone mentions them and the two parties spend very little Money in these states because they already know someone like Trump will easily win it anyway.

Missouri is basically a right to work state defacto though the way it operates on wages.

When talking about that though most industries with high paying skilled corporate or tech jobs are not union anyway so really right to work doesn't have a lot of say in it.

I can see with manufacturing but those are not the type of jobs that pay as much as white collar jobs anyway that are not union.
Again, most of the job growth in those states such as Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, as well as Missouri tend to be in the core metropolitan counties that are somewhat more diverse politically. A much better analogue to Missouri is Ohio- a state that has been trending more Republican in recent elections, and has a very similar age structure demographic to Missouri- both states are aging rapidly and losing younger residents to economically more dynamic states and cities in other regions of the US. So, basically it comes down to economically dynamic states compared to economically static states. Most of the Midwest is very static and not dynamic anymore, therefore it has become less politically bellwether indicative during presidential elections. States like Arizona, Nevada, in addition to Texas have become more political bellwethers due to the fact they have huge in-migrations of people flooding into those states along with much faster overall population growth rates.
 
Old 11-05-2020, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Alabama!
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So do you think this is why states like Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi don't have a lot of job growth because they're so heavily conservative and Republican dominated?
Alabama has had a LOT of job growth and very low unemployment numbers.

https://www.madeinalabama.com/2020/0...20-and-beyond/
 
Old 11-06-2020, 07:16 AM
 
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Alabama has had a LOT of job growth and very low unemployment numbers.

https://www.madeinalabama.com/2020/0...20-and-beyond/
I wouldn't brag on Alabama wages and quality of life. Beautiful state!
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