08-23-2008, 08:22 AM
Location: Missouri
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OK, I am finishing up a job here in Tehran for my wife's father. I am returning to our home in the LA, CA area the first part of September this year. My wife's father is buying our home and I am wanting to move my family out of CA. My wife says she would like to move to the midwest and not the northern parts because we have bothe decided that we would rather not have to deal with lots of ice and snow.
We are looking at the state of Arkansas and Missouri as places to move. Neither one of us has that much knowledge about either state, but I am and have been researching, as has my wife. I have to tell all of you that I am of mexican descent, though not from illegals. We are moving to get away from the illegals and the destructiveness of their invasion, so we really don't want to live where there are illegals that are noticeable, if you get my drift. we want to be around Americans, no matter their race or ethnicity, just plain Americans. I love to fish and was kind of looking at the southwest area of your state because of the lakes and such. How is that area? We would probably rent for a while until we would finally decide on a place to buy, maybe something with a couple of acres for our kids to enjoy, just not sure is all. We are also looking into the northwest area of Arkansas for the same reasons, fishing and the rural living they can provide. I hope that some of you can direct me in the right direction.
08-23-2008, 06:38 PM
Location: North Idaho
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Missouri has probably taken a harder stance toward illegal immigration than nearly any other state, so my only slight concern would be that you would maybe occasionally encounter someone who takes a look at you and thinks, Oh lovely, another illegal. As soon as they get to know you a little, they'll know you're absolutely legal, law-abiding, are conversant in English, and desire to obtain a better life for you, your wife and family.
Springfield, Missouri is reputed to have the most changeable weather of any major city in the United States. In that regard it couldn't be more different than the weather along the southern CA coast, you know, "Areas of morning low clouds and fog, then sunny" for like 200 consecutive days!
The Springfield area had a nasty ice storm two winters ago, but in more normal years you have a little snow in the winter and the temperatures usually stay above 15 degrees, with highs in the upper 30s and low 40s. Four very distinct seasons.
Do spend time looking through the Springfield-Branson forum threads here! I think you and your family are going to be very happy with southwest Missouri. I don't know as much about northwest Arkansas except it too should be quite scenic. In both places, you don't make as much money, but the cost of living just clobbers almost anywhere in California. I think you're going to find most of the people friendly and down-to-earth too. Please let us know how it goes, and how else we can specifically assist you!
08-23-2008, 07:48 PM
Location: SW MO
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I'm a bit confused-you are of Hispanic descent, yet don't want to live around Hispanics? Or just illegal ones? SW MO and NW Arkansas both have a fairly large population of Hispanics because of the large chicken and turkey production industries. Carthage is probably 20% Hispanics-Mexican, Guatamalan, El Salvadoran,etc. Many are hired by Butterball. I'm sure that some are illegal, but who knows how many? I suspect that anywhere there are Hispanic populations, there will be illegals.
08-23-2008, 08:44 PM
Location: SW Missouri
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northbayeric
Missouri has probably taken a harder stance toward illegal immigration than nearly any other state, so my only slight concern would be that you would maybe occasionally encounter someone who takes a look at you and thinks, Oh lovely, another illegal. As soon as they get to know you a little, they'll know you're absolutely legal, law-abiding, are conversant in English, and desire to obtain a better life for you, your wife and family.
Springfield, Missouri is reputed to have the most changeable weather of any major city in the United States. In that regard it couldn't be more different than the weather along the southern CA coast, you know, "Areas of morning low clouds and fog, then sunny" for like 200 consecutive days!
The Springfield area had a nasty ice storm two winters ago, but in more normal years you have a little snow in the winter and the temperatures usually stay above 15 degrees, with highs in the upper 30s and low 40s. Four very distinct seasons.
Do spend time looking through the Springfield-Branson forum threads here! I think you and your family are going to be very happy with southwest Missouri. I don't know as much about northwest Arkansas except it too should be quite scenic. In both places, you don't make as much money, but the cost of living just clobbers almost anywhere in California. I think you're going to find most of the people friendly and down-to-earth too. Please let us know how it goes, and how else we can specifically assist you!
Don't forget the NASTY tornado that tore through the area on Super Tuesday this year (February 5 - 6). Amazing that we would have a storm like that so early in the year.
Missouri has it's fair share of severe weather, but who doesn't??? If you have never lived here before, I suggest that you spend some time here during the first couple of weeks of January (usually when we have the ice storm), and the middle of July when it is in the 90s with 90 percent humidity. Make sure you get some chigger bites while you're here and at least a couple of ticks. If you are still wanting to move here after that you will be most welcome!
20yrsinBranson
08-24-2008, 03:18 PM
Location: Missouri
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I'm a bit confused-you are of Hispanic descent, yet don't want to live around Hispanics? Or just illegal ones? SW MO and NW Arkansas both have a fairly large population of Hispanics because of the large chicken and turkey production industries. Carthage is probably 20% Hispanics-Mexican, Guatamalan, El Salvadoran,etc. Many are hired by Butterball. I'm sure that some are illegal, but who knows how many? I suspect that anywhere there are Hispanic populations, there will be illegals.
First off, Hispanic is not a race so people are not descended from Hispanics.
I didn't mean anything about legal Latinos at all. I am just sick of illegal;s and the majority of them happen to be from latin American countries.
08-24-2008, 08:04 PM
Location: SW MO
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If you like the out-of-doors sports, SW MO and NW Arkansas will be great for you. Hunting, fishing, hiking, floating, biking, water sports, we have it all. The Mark Twain National Forest has lots of good trails. And if you crave a little more cultured entertainment, Tulsa, and Kansas City are not too far away. Do you have any job-specific needs? We have a low cost of living, but that also means somewhat low wages. The scenery is beautiful, lots of green areas. Clean air, and nice people. The one thing it really lacks is ocean-but that's what vacation is for!
08-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Location: SW MO
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Hi, APJ!
I think if I were to give you advice, it would be to not live in an area with a high population of Latinos since it might be more likely to find prejudice and sensitivity in the local population. As someone who moved here from CA and was sick of the whole illegal immigrant situation, I can sympathize with you. I am not a Latina but both of us have a slew of them in our families and tons of Latino friends so we are not prejudiced to them.
By the way, I attend church in Nixa and we have headsets for those who would like to hear the message translated into Spanish. We're pretty new there so I'm not sure what else we have but I thought I'd mention that there are other English-speaking Latinos that attend, since I assume you fall into that category. They are an integral part of the church and ministry and I don't think they experience any different treatment than others.
By the way, so many people are moving to this area from CA and other places that it seems to be more open to "outsiders" than some of the smaller towns
might be. I have never heard a negative word about us not being from MO, either.
I think the weather here is a wonderful balance.
We get less severe winters than up north and shorter summers than down south. We do seem to get more ice but most of our weather comes and goes so quickly that it isn't as much of an inconvenience as you might think. We do get the four seasons, which we love, and we do get to see the fall foliage and new spring growth that go along with those seasons.
We moved from southern CA just two years ago and although we've been through some difficult times here, we have never regretted leaving or considered moving back. By the way, I think renting is a great idea! You never really know an area as well as when you live there...and trying to move to an ideal city/town/neighborhood without living or visiting there first is like a crapshoot. Our son and his family moved to CO in June and even though he has been in real estate for years, they decided to rent first, for the same reasons.
I hope that helps!
MrsG
08-25-2008, 10:29 AM
Location: Missouri
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Arkansas and Missouri are both beautiful states, and I have found there is a fair amount of people living here who came from California, so you will not be alone. If you are not looking at living in the city (St. Louis, Kansas City, etc.) be prepared for almost no cultural diversity - it will be very different than what you are used to. I have only been here for a year, but nice towns that stick in my mind are El Dorado Springs (one of my favorite towns in MO - has the cutest town square, and an old opera house that has been turned into a movie theater), and Stockton (which is right on a lake).
08-25-2008, 02:14 PM
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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One thing you may want to think about
: when we were trying to decide between NWA and places like Neosho, MO we were advised by people from Neosho we would be happier in NWA because so many are from other parts of the country. The smaller towns in SoWest Mo are still pretty much occupied by people who have lived in the area most of their lives (I am referring to the smaller towns, which is most of the area) thus being totally acccepted regardless of your nationality might not be as easy as in NWA. Just my thoughts. On the other hand I have always felt (certainly in the past 10 years or so) people are more accepting of others, regardless of race, religion, nationality, or any other group. I am generalizing now, but to me, if one wants to be accepted it is important to accept the customs and life style of those who already live in an area and not expect people to always fit into the life style you are leaving. Too many people want to change their new enviorment into what they have left...often I think they do this unknowingly.
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08-25-2008, 08:51 PM
Location: Southeast Missouri
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As far as getting away from illegals, I wouldn't move to Northwest Arkansas (just word of mouth).
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Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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We are looking at the state of Arkansas and Missouri as places to move. Neither one of us has that much knowledge about either state, but I am and have been researching, as has my wife. I have to tell all of you that I am of mexican descent, though not from illegals. We are moving to get away from the illegals and the destructiveness of their invasion, so we really don't want to live where there are illegals that are noticeable, if you get my drift. we want to be around Americans, no matter their race or ethnicity, just plain Americans. I love to fish and was kind of looking at the southwest area of your state because of the lakes and such. How is that area? We would probably rent for a while until we would finally decide on a place to buy, maybe something with a couple of acres for our kids to enjoy, just not sure is all. We are also looking into the northwest area of Arkansas for the same reasons, fishing and the rural living they can provide. I hope that some of you can direct me in the right direction.
The Springfield area had a nasty ice storm two winters ago, but in more normal years you have a little snow in the winter and the temperatures usually stay above 15 degrees, with highs in the upper 30s and low 40s. Four very distinct seasons.
By the way, so many people are moving to this area from CA and other places that it seems to be more open to "outsiders" than some of the smaller towns might be. I have never heard a negative word about us not being from MO, either. 
