01-18-2009, 01:45 PM
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I've been reading the posts regarding small town living. I'd like to try. Am a widow, in my mid 60's and have lived in St. Louis all my life. Sounds like Hermann and New Haven might work. I would like an older house with charm, room for a garden and maybe some chickens. Can't take on too much, no spring chicken myself! Some antique shops, art stores, a library would really be nice. Don't want to vegetate. Am thinking of renting for a bit before taking the jump. Any "do's", "don'ts" or hints?
01-18-2009, 04:59 PM
Location: MO Ozarkian in NE Hoosierana
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Hermann definitely has charm, as does many of the river cities along the MO River. Have you taken a drive along 94 and/or 100 to get a feel for the area?
Best luck to ya...
01-18-2009, 08:15 PM
Location: Moved to town. Miss 'my' woods and critters.
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ready to try.....We moved from St.Louis 36+ years ago near a small town. In the past I worked in Hermann and it is a lovely, historic town. One thing tho', Hermann is a tourist town and many times during the year there are many visitors and sometimes the locals can be just a teeny bit leery of 'outsiders'. Not hostile, no, just cautious. Many descendants from the original settlers reside in and around the area. I took art lessons from an extremely talented and lovely woman and she did say once that even though she had lived in Hermann for over 30 years, she was sometimes still considered an outsider/interloper.
Having 'said' all of this, Hermann does offer a wide variety of the services that you may find to your liking. I would suggest that you take a day and drive out I-70 to south on Hwy 19 to Hermann or I-44 to the Washington exit and continue through Washington, New Haven and then onto Hermann. Take the time to stop in a restaurant, a few stores and just spend the entire day driving around the towns. Buy the local newspapers. Visit the Chambers of Commerce. Talk with any locals. Be sure to drive around a few of the residential areas. Do you like quiet? Neighbors close by? Shopping within walking distance? Are you interested in joining clubs, churches, volunteer work?
New Haven is very different in many ways from Hermann. New Haven does offer the older homes, great neighborhoods, and is closer to Washington for additional shopping and services. I also worked for some time in New Haven as a Realtor. Again, would still suggest spending some time, days driving around the areas. They are different from each other in many ways. Good Luck to you.
01-18-2009, 08:45 PM
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Thank you all for your comments. Going to do that very thing this weekend - driving through Hermann and New Haven. Pulled up homes for sale off the computer to get some idea of prices. Would like to maybe rent for a bit before I make any big decision. I certainly appreciate your help, Shadow Caver and Northwoods Voyager!
01-24-2009, 09:29 PM
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Hi, just got back from a visit to Hermann, MO. Loved the town but why are there so many houses for sale? Even the High School is on the market. Has there perhaps a new one that has been built? Drove through New Haven also. Loved the houses but seemed the only shopping area was on Hwy. 100. Didn't have time to search further so I may have missed something.
01-28-2009, 11:04 AM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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how about south of STL? Sainte Genevieve comes to mind, it has charm enough for a couple of towns.
01-28-2009, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by
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I've been reading the posts regarding small town living. I'd like to try. Am a widow, in my mid 60's and have lived in St. Louis all my life. Sounds like Hermann and New Haven might work. I would like an older house with charm, room for a garden and maybe some chickens. Can't take on too much, no spring chicken myself! Some antique shops, art stores, a library would really be nice. Don't want to vegetate. Am thinking of renting for a bit before taking the jump. Any "do's", "don'ts" or hints?
A lot depends on how small of a town you are looking for... There are some beautiful small towns around the Lake of the Ozarks.
Gravois Mills is beautiful. There are too many to really list. If you have an area you would like to be near to it might make the hunt easier for those ready to help
01-28-2009, 02:41 PM
Location: Moved to town. Miss 'my' woods and critters.
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01-30-2009, 08:19 PM
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Wow, LOVE the link - the RCS! Thank you for sharing that. Sounds wonderful and would be a nice plus. I have been doing a lot more homework on Hermann. I have some family in St. Louis but my grown and married kids are scattered all over the U.S. So don't really want to get too far from St. Louis. Hermann seems to have a lot going for it. I love the way the town is laid out. If you lived in town you could walk to a lot of places. Hermann has a library with a monthly book club meeting. I've also been reading "Small Town Bound" by John Clayton which I think is excellent. It's been a big help, listing factors to use to evaluate a small town, etc. Hermann keeps popping back up. Yes, you are so right. St. Genevieve is also a wonderful town. Thank you for mentioning it. Thank you all for your helpful suggestions and ideas. Guess I just hadn't done enough homework!
01-30-2009, 11:30 PM
Location: Moved to town. Miss 'my' woods and critters.
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ready to try.. ...it would be a fine choice to decide upon Hermann. I was once the librarian there many years ago. Part of the Scenic Regional Library system. Great organization with so many helpful people. At that time we also had a group known as the 'Starving Artists'. We met in different places. So many talented individuals. Again, I wish you the best of luck in no matter what you finally decide.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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