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Old 08-25-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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Well from what I gather vitor has been with them for a little while now not just this camp. It's just a story line that is popping up because of jones rashad issues.

Del boy, can't kick an opponent on the ground in the head. A hand, finger, knee, butt, belly, back all grounded opponent.
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Old 08-26-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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So I seen Jon Jones vs Rampage, and Jon Jones started the fight on his knees with his hand on the ground. Why didn't rampage knee him or kick him in the face?

Because that would have been an illegal move that would have easily lead to a point being deducted at best and disqualification at worst.

It was also Jones way of getting into his head. He knew Rampage wouldn't kick or knee him the face and he knew Rampage would be wary of closing the distance and risking getting taken down. Rampage's only realistic option was to stand while Jones looked like an idiot which in turn made Rampage look like a bigger idiot ("I look like a fool right now and you will not dare to stop me").

I think he can be beat with hands, but it would have to be a tall guy with a good jab or a short guy that takes a lot of chances, and throws short, compact punches.

I could maybe see Vitor charging in and knocking out Jones quickly like he has a habit of doing. He is really fast on his feet and he has lightening hand speed. But that's the only way I see him winning. While I do think Anderson is a better striker than Jones and I think that Belfort has a better chance standing against Jones; Anderson doesn't have the same ground control and ground and pound that makes Jones so worrying.

I think a very good striker with very good takedown defense or someone with a great offensive guard could beat Jones (but there aren't many people with great guards in the UFC LHW division). Alexander Gustafsson is probably the most likely candidate. He definitely has the striking, speed, and physical attributes to present a threat standing. The question is how good is his takedown defense and his defensive ground game?

And even then, if he has a good chin, it's going to be hard to stop him.

I don't know about Jon's chin. It could be great or he could have a glass jaw. He really hasn't been tagged hard enough or frequent enough to get a solid idea. But it is pretty clear that he hates getting hit. Look at the fights with Machida and Rampage. Every time they started landing he would run off. Now, some of that was intelligent footwork and avoiding unnecessary damage. Some of that was, "F--k this! I'm getting the hell out of here!" I think that if someone were to hit him solidly and couple times in a row, he would panic and his opponent would have a few seconds to make him look like Brock Lesnar versus Carwin, Cain, or Alistair.

He's hard to beat. I don't think anybody in the UFC can beat him right now, so enjoy while it last. Honestly, I don't see why people hate him so much.
My text is in bold.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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Alexander Gustafsson is probably the most likely candidate. He definitely has the striking, speed, and physical attributes to present a threat standing. The question is how good is his takedown defense and his defensive ground game?
Agreed, I'm hoping AG continues to develop and becomes the legit threat he certainly appears to be, as opposed to going Bader on us when given higher level opponents. He's as entertaining a fighter as there is in the UFC, and I'd love to see him fight Jones.

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Brock Lesnar versus Carwin, Cain, or Alistair.
Yup! Some screen captures from Lesnar during those fights:

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Honestly, I don't see why people hate him so much.
People often hate the person on top, its same with Silva and St Pierre. I think some of it is resentment over him dominating veterans they considered great fighters, it stings a little.
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Old 08-26-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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i dont like his attitude, her personality. i think he is (as lorenzo fertitta said) a premadonna. to me it has nothing to with his skill, i respect that for sure, i just like him personally.

same kinda goes for anderson.

GSP i used to really like but i see him as changed since he is on top. his attepts to NOT sound/act like a dick, are so transparent, he is just not the humble guy that came in. it happens to a lot of guys. i like the guys who either start humble and stay that way or come in talking smack and stick to it. guys like sonnen and bj penn, even tito. they all stayed the same.
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Old 08-26-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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My text is in bold.
In regards to, Alexander Gustafsson, I think he needs more development defensively. He seems to have the physical attributes, but he's unpolished, and I don't know how crips Jon Jones' punches are.

It seems like Jon Jones is most comfortable using his legs to keep his opponents wary, and hasn't put together enough punches for me to judge him on his boxing ability.

If he throws crips and compact punches, I think he'll knock Alexander out, but the same goes for Jon Jones, as Jon Jones has been able to get away with this due to his physical attributes and natural athleticism, and honeslty, his opponents inability to test him.

However, I think this is even more important in regards to AG because if he's less rangy, smaller, and not quite as naturally quick, he's going to have to develop a better defense, put his chin down, and return to guard faster after opening up offensively.

I mean, he needs some work, but if he works on getting his defense much tigher, and continues to work with his hands, I think he can crack Jones too, but Jones could do the same to him if he works on the same thing.

At least that's what I see. I wouldn't put AG in with Jones yet.

Honestly, I'm most impressed with Dos Santos in the UFC. Well, it's a toss up. Jon Jones is very effective, but he also seems to have a physical advantage that Dos Santos doesn't always have.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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It seems like Jon Jones is most comfortable using his legs to keep his opponents wary, and hasn't put together enough punches for me to judge him on his boxing ability.
He uses his reach too, he doesn't throw many jabs but almost always has that lead hand extended out as a range finder and it flusters people. I'd agree though that he doesn't throw combinations well, he's a one punch type but mixes it up with so many other things that people can't prepare for it.

I think where AG gets in trouble is if Jones gets his hands on him, Jones is so clever with take downs and trips it would be a matter of time before AG is on the ground either eating elbows or desperately defending against chokes from every angle.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:40 PM
 
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interesting read. i find this kinda funny actually.
Jon Jones asked Dana White to have Chael Sonnen stop calling him out | UFC News | MMA News | Mixed Martial Arts | UFC News | BJPenn | MMA Fight | UFC Fights

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The smoke has yet to clear from the aftermath of the UFC 151 cancellation. It would be putting things mildly to state that it hasn’t been a good week for UFC light heavyweight champion Jon “Bones” Jones. Jones’ roller-coaster of scrutiny has been outrageous lately, and it looks as if things are about to get worse for the rating 205lbs champ.

In an article released by The Wrestling Observer, another piece of juicy information was unleashed that is sure to add fuel to the “Bones” Jones fire:

Jones was very upset after Chael began calling him out and mocking him on Twitter, going as far as to contact White and ask him to tell Chael to stop

Regardless of how one feels about Jones, if this report proves to be true, he is sure to endure another large dose of public critisism. Jones and his management team will be hard pressed to spin this story into a postive light. Running to Dana White in order to shut up Chael is a far cry from Jon’s initial tweet to Sonnen, which read: ”I’m more man than you’ll ever be”.

Also in the Wrestling Observer article was an analysis of Jones most recent radio show appearance, in which Jon makes himself look like a hypocrite:

About a week before this all went down, he went on a radio show and talked about how Chael was undeserving of the fight coming off the loss to Anderson Silva, and that he was disrespectful and not the type of person he’d want to give a title shot to anyway. The host noted that Chael wouldn’t be able to take Bones down, and unlike Henderson, also a wrestler, he didn’t possess the power punch standing and wasn’t a finisher. The host told Jones to take the paycheck and shut the guy up. At that point Jones said “Yes, you’re right, I’ll fight Chael any time, any where.”

Jones may end up going down as one of the greatest champions to ever live, but in the meantime he should expect more scrutinity than ever. It is sad to see the 25 year-old, Jones, constantly trip up with his words and say stuff that he doesn’t really mean. He has dug a very large hole for himself and it will undoubtedly take some time for him to rebound and gain back the respect of a lot of MMA fans.

Hopefully for Jones’ sake, this whole spectacle can ultimately be forgiven next month with another display of octagon brilliance. Only time will tell.
did jones really cry to daddy dana to get that bully sonnen to stop calling him out?
did he really say he would fight sonnen any time only to decline shortly after?
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