New congressional district map carves up Alabama’s second largest county (Birmingham: credit, employment)

[Southsky]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

There is a giant list of residential in the downtown area that happened under Jones. I think you are also on skyscraperpage-Mobile Development Forum there is a list a mile long over there, In fact, a lot of the downtown residential was planned years ago and simply got sold to new developers and changed names. Again, cant blame Jones for the recession.

That doesnt mean I dont think Stimpson hasnt done good things. I just dont seem any grandiose thing he has done that would separate him from Jones in that regard. Even your argument about most mobilians saying it has changed the most in the last 10 years is 100% my previous point that these blend together.

Stimpson has been mayor for 10 years.

[InlandWave]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

There is a giant list of residential in the downtown area that happened under Jones. I think you are also on skyscraperpage-Mobile Development Forum there is a list a mile long over there, In fact, a lot of the downtown residential was planned years ago and simply got sold to new developers and changed names. Again, cant blame Jones for the recession.

That doesnt mean I dont think Stimpson hasnt done good things. I just dont seem any grandiose thing he has done that would separate him from Jones in that regard. Even your argument about most mobilians saying it has changed the most in the last 10 years is 100% my previous point that these blend together.

Lol no and Stimpson has been mayor 10 years dawg

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Southsky

Stimpson has been mayor for 10 years.

Originally Posted by InlandWave

Lol no and Stimpson has been mayor 10 years dawg

Not really sure how both of you somehow misread me , especially since my first post on the subject said

Originally Posted by dsjj251

those 2 havent been mayor for 10 and 20 years. .

Im saying I dont see anything that has change in those 10 years that is so great that you could put Stimpson over Jones or Dow. And that many people seem to blend together things that happened during the Jones administration and may not have been finished until during the Stimpson administrations.

to simplify it, What great thing has Mobile gained since 2013, that Stimpson is specifically responsible for ?

Apartment complexes and downtown condos are nice, but clearly those were being put in downtown during Jones and Dow, and it was those 2 that cleared many of those lots for development.

[InlandWave]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Not really sure how both of you somehow misread me , especially since my first post on the subject said




Im saying I dont see anything that has change in those 10 years that is so great that you could put Stimpson over Jones or Dow. And that many people seem to blend together things that happened during the Jones administration and may not have been finished until during the Stimpson administrations.

to simplify it, What great thing has Mobile gained since 2013, that Stimpson is specifically responsible for ?

Apartment complexes and downtown condos are nice, but clearly those were being put in downtown during Jones and Dow, and it was those 2 that cleared many of those lots for development.

A growing economy, by the time Dow finished his time Mobile had reached economic stagnation and Jones continued the stagnation. Mobile is only recently, under the Stimpson administration, the growing economy again

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by InlandWave

A growing economy, by the time Dow finished his time Mobile had reached economic stagnation and Jones continued the stagnation. Mobile is only recently, under the Stimpson administration, the growing economy again

1I can only find Mobile GDP numbers back to 2001, but it was never stagnant during the 2001-2008

2001 11.799 billion
2002 12.004
2003 12.537
2004 13.366
2005 14.492

2006 16.039
2007 16.550
2008 17.039
2009 17.110
2010 17.509
2011 18.376
2012 18.541
2013 18.984

2014 19.426
2015 19.432
2016 19.827
2017 20.461
2018 21.415
2019 21.963
2020 negative, and like i said, i dont count things like this against mayors

The economy didnt stagnate during those 2 previous administration , it clearly continued to grow.

[natedoggbry]

I’d just say the perception of the city has changed in the minds of many people living here and nearby. In the 2000s, people actively protested against joining the city through annexation. Mayor Stimpson saw the largest annexation effort since the 50s. I think that he is more well received because he isn’t just trying to build random big buildings downtown and tell the rest of the city that they can kick rocks. The capital spending on infrastructure and parks is noticed by people throughout the city. The previous 2 administrations drove the city into crippling debt by building a bunch of large city owned buildings downtown to spur redevelopment. And overall, it may have helped downtown, but large chunks of the city were ignored and allowed to decay. If Mayor Stimpson is able to pull off a civic center renovation and downtown street optimization, then he should easily be considered a better mayor in regards to downtown. And I believe he’s already a better city wide mayor than the other 2.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by natedoggbry

I’d just say the perception of the city has changed in the minds of many people living here and nearby. In the 2000s, people actively protested against joining the city through annexation. Mayor Stimpson saw the largest annexation effort since the 50s. I think that he is more well received because he isn’t just trying to build random big buildings downtown and tell the rest of the city that they can kick rocks. The capital spending on infrastructure and parks is noticed by people throughout the city. The previous 2 administrations drove the city into crippling debt by building a bunch of large city owned buildings downtown to spur redevelopment. And overall, it may have helped downtown, but large chunks of the city were ignored and allowed to decay. If Mayor Stimpson is able to pull off a civic center renovation and downtown street optimization, then he should easily be considered a better mayor in regards to downtown. And I believe he’s already a better city wide mayor than the other 2.

You cant praise one administration for building city owned structures to spur redevelopment and then discourage it in another. Further more, you have to build infrastructure in order to entice businesses to return to downtown.

And even worse, Civic center redevelopment and street optimization where 2 things that were already proposed under Jones, in fact, making may of the streets downtown 2 way happened under Jones.

As for Debt, idk, I cant find enough data to debate it , but if it was in fact from building up downtown, it obviously worked for the better.

[natedoggbry]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

You cant praise one administration for building city owned structures to spur redevelopment and then discourage it in another. Further more, you have to build infrastructure in order to entice businesses to return to downtown.

And even worse, Civic center redevelopment and street optimization where 2 things that were already proposed under Jones, in fact, making may of the streets downtown 2 way happened under Jones.

As for Debt, idk, I cant find enough data to debate it , but if it was in fact from building up downtown, it obviously worked for the better.

Yes I’d discourage building new city owned buildings if we are currently neglecting the ones we do own. I feel like it is common sense to fix what you have before you start building new things. And yes, anyone can propose things, but actually getting them done is another. That’s why I’m not crediting Mayor Stimpson with having done it yet.

I’m just saying that to marshal all the resources, time, and effort into reviving downtown is a good thing, if you go downtown. But for a large majority of people, they rarely go downtown. So, they see their streets not paved, the roads congested when they go to and from work, and the parks having little to no amenities or outdated amenities, and they have have a negative image of the administration. That’s why the comprehensive plans put together to address these things city wide is making Stimpson a better mayor. Investment in downtown still continues, but the city is addressing the needs of all constitutes far better. That’s why he beat Sam Jones twice and has increased his margin of victory every election

[InlandWave]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

1I can only find Mobile GDP numbers back to 2001, but it was never stagnant during the 2001-2008

2001 11.799 billion
2002 12.004
2003 12.537
2004 13.366
2005 14.492

2006 16.039
2007 16.550
2008 17.039
2009 17.110
2010 17.509
2011 18.376
2012 18.541
2013 18.984

2014 19.426
2015 19.432
2016 19.827
2017 20.461
2018 21.415
2019 21.963
2020 negative, and like i said, i dont count things like this against mayors

The economy didnt stagnate during those 2 previous administration , it clearly continued to grow.

GDP will grow naturally with inflation, another economic indicator that I is use is job growth



From Jan 2000 to 2005 Mobile County lost 3,300 Jobs under the Dow administration (177.7k to 174.3k), under Jones administration Mobile County lost an additional 400 jobs from Jan 2005 to 2012 (174.3k to 173.9k). Under the Stimpson Administration Mobile County added 7,800 jobs from Jan 2012 to 2017 (173.9k to 181.7k) and added another 7,700 from Jan 2017 to 2023 (181.7k to 189.4k)



Unlike in the Dow and Jones administrations with the .com bubble and great recession, Mobile bounced back rapidly after the covid recession and is actually gaining more jobs in the post-pandemic than the pre-pandemic

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by InlandWave

GDP will grow naturally with inflation, another economic indicator that I is use is job growth

From Jan 2000 to 2005 Mobile County lost 3,300 Jobs under the Dow administration (177.7k to 174.3k), under Jones administration Mobile County lost an additional 400 jobs from Jan 2005 to 2012 (174.3k to 173.9k). Under the Stimpson Administration Mobile County added 7,800 jobs from Jan 2012 to 2017 (173.9k to 181.7k) and added another 7,700 from Jan 2017 to 2023 (181.7k to 189.4k)

Unlike in the Dow and Jones administrations with the .com bubble and great recession, Mobile bounced back rapidly after the covid recession and is actually gaining more jobs in the post-pandemic than the pre-pandemic

A couple of points of contention.

The total number of jobs for the entire US has surpassed pre pandemic levels. Meaning that you are comparing an actual recession with structural problems to something that was easily recoverable once the initial danger had subsided.

Your numbers do not match the Census or Alabama department of labor.

https://www2.labor.alabama.gov/workf...e%20County.pdf

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_33660.htm

it is possible your numbers are of total number of jobs held by people living in Mobile County, which would include jobs created in Baldwin County as well as the Mississippi Gulf Coast.