03-28-2013, 07:56 AM
Location: Shelby County, Kentucky
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Hello, everyone. My family and I are considering a move to Montana - specifically the Kalispell/Flathead area. My wife and I both have somewhat "mobile" careers - I'm a teacher and she works in the medical field. There are presently jobs available for both of us in Kalispell that we are considering applying for - we wouldn't be moving without jobs lined up first. The salaries are slightly lower and home prices are slightly higher, but they're comparable enough to Kentucky, we're sure we could make it work. My wife and I are both from New England, so we're used to the snow/blizzards/nor'easters/freezing temperatures in the winter. Actually, that is one of the reasons that is prompting this move...We like Kentucky, but the winters are simply cold and rainy - not much to make them feel like a real winter. The summers are also a little to hot for us. We miss having four real seasons. I've scoured the forum and internet and I've learned just about all I can about the Kalispell area. I do have some lingering questions, though....
1. I have read alot about the area not welcoming outsiders. This is the only thing that worries me about the area. What do I make of this? I heard the same about Kentucky before I moved here. Of course, you have your territorial types, but for the most part, it was very welcoming. We are friendly, but keep to ourselves unless we get our toes stepped on, so to speak. We would not be looking to change anyone's culture. (hey - New England-to-Kentucky taught me alot about that!)
2. We have three young children...two in elementary and one in preschool. How are the schools? I can only gather so much from a school system website, and as a teacher, I would appreciate some more insight on this.
3. Is the area kid- / Family-friendly? We want to be able to get outdoors with our kids and enjoy the area.
4. Finally...any other info that might be valuable to us while contemplating this?
I appreciate all your responses - no matter how honest!
Thanks! - Eric
03-28-2013, 04:02 PM
Location: A Very Naughtytown In Northwestern Montanifornia U.S.A.
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We moved to Kalispell with California plates on our rigs. We were welcomed very well by the folks we met there. We lived in three different places there before we moved to the Flathead Reservation to buy a place.
Neighbors helped us out a lot before I got my business going and I worked a few jobs in the meantime. Everyone we met was super nice.
We did NOT try to get involved in local politics and always offered our help to our neighbors when we first met them if they ever needed help with anything.
03-28-2013, 04:45 PM
Location: North Dakota
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Hello, everyone. My family and I are considering a move to Montana - specifically the Kalispell/Flathead area. My wife and I both have somewhat "mobile" careers - I'm a teacher and she works in the medical field. There are presently jobs available for both of us in Kalispell that we are considering applying for - we wouldn't be moving without jobs lined up first. The salaries are slightly lower and home prices are slightly higher, but they're comparable enough to Kentucky, we're sure we could make it work. My wife and I are both from New England, so we're used to the snow/blizzards/nor'easters/freezing temperatures in the winter. Actually, that is one of the reasons that is prompting this move...We like Kentucky, but the winters are simply cold and rainy - not much to make them feel like a real winter. The summers are also a little to hot for us. We miss having four real seasons. I've scoured the forum and internet and I've learned just about all I can about the Kalispell area. I do have some lingering questions, though....
1. I have read alot about the area not welcoming outsiders. This is the only thing that worries me about the area. What do I make of this? I heard the same about Kentucky before I moved here. Of course, you have your territorial types, but for the most part, it was very welcoming. We are friendly, but keep to ourselves unless we get our toes stepped on, so to speak. We would not be looking to change anyone's culture. (hey - New England-to-Kentucky taught me alot about that!)
2. We have three young children...two in elementary and one in preschool. How are the schools? I can only gather so much from a school system website, and as a teacher, I would appreciate some more insight on this.
3. Is the area kid- / Family-friendly? We want to be able to get outdoors with our kids and enjoy the area.
4. Finally...any other info that might be valuable to us while contemplating this?
I appreciate all your responses - no matter how honest!
Thanks! - Eric
That part of Montana is not welcoming of outsiders, as you mentioned. Outsiders means anyone from California or "back east" (which means anyone outside of Montana). Since I lived in western Montana and came from southwest Montana I was tolerated, but the way the locals bitched about anyone from outside of the area ruining their "way of life" was tiring (and I only lived there a year). While there is truth to the fact that outsiders buying up land for second homes has driven up the real estate prices, it seemed to me that anyone from out of state was demonized. That being said, since I was from Montana it was a sin for me to leave the area. As far as being a teacher, I don't know what the wages are in Kentucky but I'm sure they are higher than Montana. Montana is consistently in the very bottom of the nation for teacher pay. Couple that with a high cost of living and you are likely going to struggle unless your wife makes good money. As far as the quality of the schools themselves I have no idea. There are plenty of outdoor activities available but as mentioned before, hopefully you can afford to buy any necessary equipment. I know this is a bleak picture, but I don't advise anyone to move to that part of the state without very careful planning and consideration.
03-29-2013, 12:11 AM
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It has repeatedly been explained to me that the NW area of Montana has under-employment as a major problem. This was brought home to me last week when we were out to dinner in Kalispell. Our very nice waitress was a local school teacher.
I would not live in that area because winters are mostly overcast and I like sunshine in the winter. Flathead is wonderful in summer and early fall. I believe if closer to Thompson Falls there is less overcast. Perhaps someone can speak to that.
I can not speak to the unwelcoming people issue. I would think your fields (teaching & medical) would make you an immediate part of your work community after a few weeks on the job.
Montana is one big outdoors adventure and a wonderful place to grow up. Good luck finding a place to call home. Opportunities for teachers & careers in medical fields exist across the state.
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03-29-2013, 07:07 AM
Location: Shelby County, Kentucky
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Thanks for the replies.
@ DontLookPhoto - That's pretty much the way we are. We'll help others out just to get to know them.
@WyoEagle - I understand what you are saying. However, we definitely wouldn't be "fair-weather residents." We would be settling down for the long run. As for salaries...Kentucky has higher starting salaries for teachers, but the average salaries are very comparable - only about $1500 off. I do have additional certifications that bump me up the scales, too. My wife makes pretty good money, as well. Believe me...we are not going to do this on a whim. We're scrutinizing every angle and piece of information before we make this decision.
@historyfan - Very much the same thing is happening here - teacher workforces are shrinking and it's tough to hang on to a job.
03-29-2013, 09:11 AM
Location: Tennessee
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Southern Montana?
Kentucky, the wife and I have spent a good deal of vacation time in Montana and Wyoming, and live in Colorado for 14years and Kentucky for 17. I'm already retired and as she approaches retirement we've been looking for retirement near the montainous regions we love. We have considered south Montana from Billings to Bozeman because they are close to our favorite vacation areas--Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons.
We did not find folks in the Whitefish/Kalispell area to be particularly friendly and it was worse along the southern edge of Flathead Lake---and we were just tourists and I tend to be a "people" person. We felt Bozeman was friendlier, and Livingston, 20 miles east of there, more so.
A big weather factor is much longer days in the summer and longer nights in the winter.
It amazed us on our vacations up there.
Weather wise, Colorado might be a better fit for you, but it is expensive to live there and
jobs, particularly teaching, tough to find. The other side of that is the fantastic retirement program teachers have--so it is a career field with lots of competition. We would move back to Colorado, but it is absolutely not retirement friendly for those of modest means.
We are looking now to southeast Idaho which we feel is very friendly and family oriented. So is Boise from reading the forums. The downside for a young family is jobs, jobs, jobs.
Good luck on your decision---and by the way--Go Cards!!! and Robert Morris???
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03-29-2013, 10:17 AM
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We moved to the Bigfork area about 3 yrs ago from Tennessee. It has been a positive experience all the way around. We found the people the be very friendly and helpful. It did not take long to establish a network of friends. If anything the locals were more open to us than the newer people. We are outdoor people with horses and there are many here with common interests.
I am in the health care field and had no problem getting a job. The main hospital in the valley is currently expanding and jobs are available.
We do not have kids so I don't know anything about the schools.
The cost of living is slightly higher than Tennessee. Food and car insurance are higher but utilities and gasoline are much lower. We have found our expenses about break even. My salary as a nurse is about the same as in Tennessee.
Hope this info is helpful to you.
03-29-2013, 10:46 AM
Location: Shelby County, Kentucky
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@Wardendresden: Let's not talk about those Cats, alright? Kind of a sore spot right now.
I would consider Colorado, but it is becoming a bit too liberal for my conservative tastes.
@Sadierose: I would think Tennessee to Montana would be about the same as Kentucky to Montana. I'm glad to hear you have had a good experience. I have found pretty much what you said from my research. There are 5 job openings for my wife's job at the hospital there and I'm applying for a teaching job that is open. That's one of the reasons that led us to Kalispell - a job opening for both of us as opposed to just one and the other having to wait and search.
03-29-2013, 08:04 PM
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My comments about the teacher being a waitress were not clearly made. She held two jobs..teacher during day and waitress at night.
03-29-2013, 10:49 PM
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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The teaching professions in MT is really undervalued in my opinion. Why we don't place a higher value on education is beyond me. I feel we are fortunate to have the caliber of teachers we do have considering the meager wages.
A teacher with a Masters could earn damn near x2 in another neighboring state... That's abhorrent.
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Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)