10-22-2006, 08:50 AM
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Hello,
My daughter and I have been checking into various areas with Montana being high on our list, just a little concerned though about how it is in the winter to have alot of horses to take care of, if we settle around Libby. Definitely want to be in the western part of the state (family closer) and able to ride in pine country. If you are already up there, and have horses, please write to me.
We used to live in the Black Hills with our last winter there at minus 57 degrees, but did not have five horses at home, then! Not afraid of the snow, but don't want to set my horses and us up for misery, either. Thoughts?
Where is the best part of western Montana for horse keeping... opinions please? Near a town that has organic/ health food stores, would be wonderful... and friendly people a real plus. Near pines, not out in the flat or the brown hills.
And here is a really important question though I almost forgot to ask it... fleas a problem in western Montana? I don't remember having any fleas to deal with in the Black Hills, and don't where we are now, at 7000 ft elevation in Northern AZ -- I like that!
Thank you
10-22-2006, 11:06 AM
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Horses in MT
I don't have horses, but I have several neighbors (ranchers plus a working couple with 30 acres) who do. I have dogs and have no flea problems here, period.
Temps in the lower mountains of Boulder Valley have gotten to about 20 below in recent years, but no lower--definitely sounds better than where you were your last winter! (Temps in the valley and in town probably have gotten to around 30 below--in general I find the valley about 10 degrees colder than my place in winter.) The 20 below happened just two nights this past Jan., and one night a couple years ago. Normally temps are above zero in winter, with occasional days below zero but those are few and far between. Many days get above zero.
With a horse, you definitely would want shelter. My new neighbors, in fact, plan to board their horses this winter as they won't be able to get a shelter built for them til next spring.
Boulder Valley has nice flat ranchland but is surrounded by mountains and pine (mostly douglas fir) forests, with lots of national forest land (open to the public). Helena is an hour away (or half hour if find a place right around or north of Boulder, not south--Boulder Valley is south of Boulder), and Helena has natural food stores.
Boulder Valley is more like 5000 feet, with a high peak nearby, Bull Mountain, at 8000-plus. It's a long ways from Libby but is in the Rockies in western Montana, so you might want to look into this area. You might also want to look just SW of Boulder around Basin, and possibly north of Boulder towards Jefferson City and Clancy. All relatively close to Helena (for shopping, health foods), all in the mountains and near national forests. All rural (though the close you get to Helena, the more urban you are getting as well).
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mitchmountain
Hello,
My daughter and I have been checking into various areas with Montana being high on our list, just a little concerned though about how it is in the winter to have alot of horses to take care of, if we settle around Libby. Definitely want to be in the western part of the state (family closer) and able to ride in pine country. If you are already up there, and have horses, please write to me.
We used to live in the Black Hills with our last winter there at minus 57 degrees, but did not have five horses at home, then! Not afraid of the snow, but don't want to set my horses and us up for misery, either. Thoughts?
Where is the best part of western Montana for horse keeping... opinions please? Near a town that has organic/ health food stores, would be wonderful... and friendly people a real plus. Near pines, not out in the flat or the brown hills.
And here is a really important question though I almost forgot to ask it... fleas a problem in western Montana? I don't remember having any fleas to deal with in the Black Hills, and don't where we are now, at 7000 ft elevation in Northern AZ -- I like that!
Thank you
10-24-2006, 09:09 AM
Location: Sarasota
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mitchmountain,
I don't have horses but I'm surrounded by those who do. I'm in the Jefferson Valley just south of Whitehall off I-90 and we don't get horribly cold winters either. NO FLEAS at all...and the horses do fine outside. You will need hay for them as we do get some snow, although not tons. As far as the extreme NW of MT, the weather there seems to be colder and damper so it feels colder. You are more in line with the storms that come from the PNW (Seattle) so get more rain, snow and have more humitidy in the air whereas SW MT is drier with fewer snow storms etc.
Missoula area and up to Kalispell have very snowy and wet winters but we just don't get much below -30 and that never stays for longer than a week and then winter is pretty much over. We've had -30 almost every year for about a week but that is very short lived. Normal winter temps seem to be in the teens and 20's during the day.
I hope you find what you're looking for. Beware of Libby and the problems with the vermiculite mine and asbestosis etc.
10-24-2006, 11:27 AM
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thank you soooooo much, for replying! good 'heads up' about Libby, thanks.
I will get out the map and look at the areas you have both told me about, before I write again, maybe a few more questions, but here is one for right now... can you get bermuda hay in these areas, and /or timothy? what price is it up there? terrible here!! Great news about the fleas being absent, certainly what I hoped to hear.
10-28-2006, 10:05 PM
Location: Montana
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I am in the Plains area, in the adjacent county to Libby. We are in a milder climate, we have nurseries here. I will ask my "horse friend" about the bermuda hay or timothy? We love it here, have lived here over 25 years.
12-26-2006, 05:32 PM
Location: Golden Valley AZ
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before I write again, maybe a few more questions, but here is one for right now... can you get bermuda hay in these areas, and /or timothy? what price is it up there? terrible here!! Great news about the fleas being absent, certainly what I hoped to hear.
I would like this info also
$17 for a 105# bail of Timothy here in SoCal.
12-26-2006, 07:21 PM
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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I don't have horses, but I have several neighbors (ranchers plus a working couple with 30 acres) who do. I have dogs and have no flea problems here, period.
Temps in the lower mountains of Boulder Valley have gotten to about 20 below in recent years, but no lower--definitely sounds better than where you were your last winter! (Temps in the valley and in town probably have gotten to around 30 below--in general I find the valley about 10 degrees colder than my place in winter.) The 20 below happened just two nights this past Jan., and one night a couple years ago. Normally temps are above zero in winter, with occasional days below zero but those are few and far between. Many days get above zero.
With a horse, you definitely would want shelter. My new neighbors, in fact, plan to board their horses this winter as they won't be able to get a shelter built for them til next spring.
Boulder Valley has nice flat ranchland but is surrounded by mountains and pine (mostly douglas fir) forests, with lots of national forest land (open to the public). Helena is an hour away (or half hour if find a place right around or north of Boulder, not south--Boulder Valley is south of Boulder), and Helena has natural food stores.
Boulder Valley is more like 5000 feet, with a high peak nearby, Bull Mountain, at 8000-plus. It's a long ways from Libby but is in the Rockies in western Montana, so you might want to look into this area. You might also want to look just SW of Boulder around Basin, and possibly north of Boulder towards Jefferson City and Clancy. All relatively close to Helena (for shopping, health foods), all in the mountains and near national forests. All rural (though the close you get to Helena, the more urban you are getting as well).
First order of business is to let everyone in on the fact that "horses don't get fleas"
As a matter of speaking, in my early years cowboying around, if I suspected that there were fleas in my house, I'd run out to the tack shed, grab a saddle, and plant it squarely in my living room..... If I had fleas... I wouldn't, after a few days of that saddle sitting there.
Dogs, cats, or any other furry creature that lives in an area that has tons of horses don't ever get fleas..
In a nutshell........ Fleas flee from horses.
12-26-2006, 07:25 PM
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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thank you soooooo much, for replying! good 'heads up' about Libby, thanks.
I will get out the map and look at the areas you have both told me about, before I write again, maybe a few more questions, but here is one for right now... can you get bermuda hay in these areas, and /or timothy? what price is it up there? terrible here!! Great news about the fleas being absent, certainly what I hoped to hear.
I've lost many-o-family member to the Libby vermiculite mining.
For the most part, it's been cleaned up...... big superfund site.
Folks are still suffering from it though.... and this is unfortunate.
I think the Fed will be taking care of poor old Libby Montana for a very long time.
09-20-2007, 11:26 PM
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You may want to consider the grazing rate of horses for the area you want to purchase pasture in. Some places it is horses/acres and in others Acres/horse. In my area west of Butte the stocking rate is 20 acres per horse. While just over the rockies in Whitehall it is more like 10 horses per acres. However Hay is currently going for about $85 ton many do deliver for a small fee. If you feed hay, you have to figure about 1/2 a ton/horse per month (depending on size). Boarding can cost between $50 (pasture, own feed and own care) to over $250 ( full board with all the goodies) Most horses in Montana do not have shelters, however some place to get out of the wind is necessary in the winter. But with your horses the first year or so you should be careful abot aclimatizing them to the weather.
09-21-2007, 04:23 AM
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Horses can have fleas, but very rarely in Montana.
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Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)