08-03-2017, 08:57 PM
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Me and my wife are originally from NC and currently reside in a very small town out in the country. We have just started our long term relocation plan to Montana. I am a cnc machinist and have seen quite a few jobs across the state and my wife is a medical billing coder who works remotely from home. We have 2 young children. We are very independent people looking at houses outside the city of billings because it has the most machinist jobs. We have a nice spot of land now but we are looking for something with 20+ acres for our girls to be able to raise horses and do whatever they may desire to do to. We are no strangers to winter though from what I have seen montana winters are a breed of there own. Overall the state seems to be a great place to raise a hard working, tight not, respectable family and that's all we want for our daughters. That all being said what are some tips, recommendations, does and donts, areas to avoid?? Any other useless information. As I said this is the start of long term process so before the locals who frequent this start throwing out scary stories about how tuff it is, k ow this isn't something we are taking lightly and we won't be just hopping in the RV and heading out on our cross country trip without multiple contingencies and and enough $$ to start and maintain our new life, like some of the other people's stories I've read on here. Thanks for any input. It's greatly appreciate and taking into consideration.
08-04-2017, 08:45 AM
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There are lots of small towns within commuting distance of Billings that are good places to have a family. One thing to remember is the weather can be pretty vicious, so a commute that normally takes 1/2 hour 45 minutes on good roads may take 2 hours or more in a blizzard.
If you are in a town just off I-90 you stand a better chance of getting to work because they rarely close that, while secondary highways can and do get closed with weather.
Billings is good simply for the fact it's big and there are a lot of jobs there, but that also means more traffic, and in poor weather conditions, gridlock.
Land in Montana is stupid expensive, and the closer you are to Billings, the more expensive the land is, but it's a trade off you'll have to decide for yourselves what you can afford and what you're willing to do to get to work.
I used to be certified in CNC, so I can tell you there are several places around the state that hire good operators. Boeing in Helena for example, where the land can be a little cheaper and the traffic isn't as bad. Don't limit yourself, look all over the state to find your dream home because Montana is so big that just an hours drive and you can feel like you're in another state with water, timber, population density, mountains or prairies, how much water is available, etc.
Just a heads up, 20 acres in Montana is a front yard. For a couple horses you'd need at least 50 - 60 acres if you want the land to be able to carry the horses and not just be a dust pit where you have to feed hay all year around.
Montana is much dryer than North Carolina with very short growing seasons, so it takes a lot more ground to produce enough feed for livestock. Where in NC 1 to 3 acres is needed to carry a cow/calf pair, in Montana you may need 50 to 80 acres.
If you don't have surface water, make sure you have a good well before you lay down your money. There are areas north of Columbus (bedroom community for Billings), for example where it doesn't matter how deep you go, there isn't any water so you have to either haul water yourself or have a service come around and fill your cistern.
Even if there is water, it may not be good so be careful of that when you look to buy.
Montana is much different than NC, but if you're willing to adapt, you should do fine here.
Good Luck.
08-04-2017, 09:25 AM
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The good grass country around Billings is in the Absarokee area. It gets more snow, otherwise buy something with irrigation water rights.
You might like the area in the Fromberg school district. It has a well respected small public school & is very commutable to Billings.
20 acres for horses is basically a paddock.
08-04-2017, 09:50 AM
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Good to have a long term plan and not be in a hurry. Like these folks say, look at everything and get into the details. Weigh the pros and cons of everything ... you'll be giving up one thing to gain another - there is no perfect situation.
It's bone-dry in MT lately. Last thing you want is 20+ acres that you can't irrigate, or otherwise has restrictions on it and/or could be surrounded by a subdivision some day ... so look at the local county zoning regs and comprehensive growth plans.
Access is important ... if you're on a far-out property and you have to deal with maintaining a road and have a long commute, that could get old in a hurry during Winter. Not to mention having to invest in some equipment to maintain a property ... tractors and attachments/implements aren't inexpensive.
08-04-2017, 11:43 AM
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Thank you for the input guys, one thing I didn't consider was the lack of grass. Feed here is in abundance when it comes to hay. and you cant kill the grass if you try. lol. I live out around some large grazing lands for cows and horses and the land is very fertile. When I say raises I mean 2 horses lol and land to be alittle higher then in NC but not a whole lot. we are most comfortable in the 250-300k range. Theres been a lot of options. the commute is somthign ive been looking into from different areas. The billings area was at the top our list because the job postings along with the education system across the board. Ive seen the that accumulated snow is considerably less for the central Montana then in areas such as Bozeman, Helena and areas in and around the mountains which is completely expected but as you all were saying commute times can becaome extra long if not impossble in the winter time and I would like to be able to make it to work most o the year lol. And I will certainly take a look at future growth plans as you all pointed out. Definitely not interested in becoming close to the edge of a large city. The main reason we live where we live now is to get away from all that but the fast expansion of cities around here are unpredictable.
08-04-2017, 11:55 AM
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You might look south or west of Laurel and keep going til you like the prices and level of neighbors.
08-04-2017, 01:38 PM
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For example- we have good bottom land that grows decent protein level pasture grasses from waist to shoulder heighth each year. It is superior grazing land. I know just 20 acres wouldn't raise 2 horses. Superior grazing land is rarely for sale in 20 acre parcels, it is rarely for sale-- period.
You could stable them and feed hay & cake & grain ration and let them out on the remaining 18 or so daily for exercise. But if you leave them on it, the ground will look like top of pool table in no time, and possibly be considered ruined by a range person. It will just be a matter of management to make it work.
08-04-2017, 04:11 PM
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Definayely some good information to consider historyfan. I guess it will just depend on the property we buy. Stabling is a common practice here with horses. And it's not at the top of our list.
Aside from Yellowstone and big sky what other places do you guys recommend checking out for a vaction trip. We're roading tripping out next may for vacation and to look at some properties and the surrounding areas that we have been interested in.
08-05-2017, 04:12 PM
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Montana is made for road trips, pack up a cooler full of sandwiches and drinks and enjoy--
To me Glacier Park is the most picturesque, the view of the Mission mountains as you drive north to St Ignatius, and lastly the Beartooth Highway from Red Lodge to Cody.
Museum of Rockies in Bozeman is the preeminent dinosaur museum. There is a dinosaur trail of dino sites
Follow The Montana Dinosaur Trail For Adventure
Any and all of Montanan's state parks are worth a trip.
Hit a rodeo & or county fair and you'll get a good glimpse of Montana. The bucking horse sale in Miles City is in May.
The tourism packet you can order is full of suggestions & the Montana highway map is very good. Look for scenic byways.
Montana
May might be a week or two early for Glacier or Beartooth due to snow. Here's an idea how much snow.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hk9A5cQsw
08-05-2017, 10:45 PM
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People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)