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Old 07-18-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Montana, it's been real, but it's time we part ways, I hope before this winter. I need to be in a state without the endless gray days as this spring nearly did me in.

I know people comment here who are planning to leave and who've left already. Where are you headed? Where did you go? WHY did you go?

We were in Missoula and ended in Kalispell which is more to our liking but housing is too high, property taxes are too high and I need good produce most of the year, not just a couple months. We like how the small towns here are safe so besides sunnier weather, that kind of low-crime environment is a requirement.

I would prefer back to Texas but MrJakotaBlues has it ruled out. We've ruled out the the northern half of the country and anywhere too hot - not Florida or the southwest. We're not moving to a place where people are fleeing so California is out. I don't know if anywhere in the northeast is sunnier or warmer but they have high taxes so that's out. That leaves the part of the US from Colorado over to Virginia so we're thinking maybe North Carolina or Kentucky. MrJakotaBlues thinks we could do WA or OR but it seems they're turning into California, and anyway, I want swimming pool all summer, garden in the spring kinda weather.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Hopefully you learned from your experience that probably one of the first things to look at is cost of living. Figure out where you can afford to live on the salary you will make and go from there.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: North State (California)
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Move where you can both get a job. Anything else is pipe dreams. Good luck on your move.
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Sun, long swimming season and easy / early gardening? Montana was not remotely appropriate for those priorities. Forget the Northwest, except maybe SW Idaho. Maybe Colorado Springs would be another borderline possibility. But it probably would be too cold for the swimming and gardening priorities.


SE US? SW Missouri, NW Arkansas, maybe KY, western NC or Virginia could work. Do you need the hills / mountains? Are they enough? Identify any other priorities and do more research. If you want spots recommended you should probably give a size range. Small town means different things to different people. One might mean nothing over 2,000 people. Somebody else says same and is looking for 20-50,000. Others want in between. Still others might be alright with anything in a very broad range.


In general SE US will have low average wages and mostly low housing prices. Find out what jobs you can get pay and what houses you want cost. Situations vary.

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Old 07-19-2018, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Western Slope
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So... perfect weather, low taxes, low cost of housing, small town, but good paying jobs and no crime?

If such a place existed everyone would be there.
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:52 PM
 
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Some people with these priorities would go for Texas towns like Georgetown, Boerne, Bastrop, etc. If they are too big, expensive or high in crime for you that will eliminate a lot of other places too.


Would Rogers Arkansas, Elizabethtown KY or Boone NC work? Check them out. If they don't look right, look for places that are better on whatever criteria the other places failed on.


Roswell, Alamogordo or Ruidoso NM? The first two are quite warm. The last is the prettiest. Crime? How low do you want? Is average ok? If you want really low it will probably be in a small town (and probably heavy on ok folks) and / or rich.

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Old 07-19-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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Montana, it's been real, but it's time we part ways, I hope before this winter. I need to be in a state without the endless gray days as this spring nearly did me in.

I know people comment here who are planning to leave and who've left already. Where are you headed? Where did you go? WHY did you go?

We were in Missoula and ended in Kalispell which is more to our liking but housing is too high, property taxes are too high and I need good produce most of the year, not just a couple months. We like how the small towns here are safe so besides sunnier weather, that kind of low-crime environment is a requirement.

I would prefer back to Texas but MrJakotaBlues has it ruled out. We've ruled out the the northern half of the country and anywhere too hot - not Florida or the southwest. We're not moving to a place where people are fleeing so California is out. I don't know if anywhere in the northeast is sunnier or warmer but they have high taxes so that's out. That leaves the part of the US from Colorado over to Virginia so we're thinking maybe North Carolina or Kentucky. MrJakotaBlues thinks we could do WA or OR but it seems they're turning into California, and anyway, I want swimming pool all summer, garden in the spring kinda weather.
Wait, people are fleeing California? Who's telling you that? I understand if it's not the place for you, but sounds like bias. The population change, property values, and most of the anecdotal evidence certainly can't be telling you that. And Washington and Oregon are turning into California? Again, they're thriving. What do you really mean? It's okay if there's something about those states you don't like, but don't pretend it's because people are fleeing and they're going downhill.

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Old 07-19-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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I think my wife and I finally learned, after dozens of moves (most were military), that where ever you go, there you are. Neither of us are really fans of where we are, but it makes sense to stay....


Rural GA has a long growing season but high temps and humidity (kills me, I'm a WY native, hate May~Sept when I just hide in AC spaces), middle of the road taxes but when housing is stupid cheap ~ 2,220sq/ft for $60k type stupid cheap ~ even high taxes just don't amount to much. Lots of small towns, and there are good jobs around if you're in the right market segment (medical, always and everywhere).


We're only going to stay until my parents pass... with luck, we will be able to hold onto their MT home and move there.



I echo the comment about getting the Job first, then see if the location can work (COL).
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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According to recent Census net migration data, for every 6 (million) people leaving California, 5 (million) move in. Those leaving talk about it more.


Washington had the 4th highest net in migration of the states. Oregon gained too. Different people, different reasons for moving.


The bigger states in Southeast generally gained. Jobs. Cheaper housing. Preferred climate. Perhaps political or cultural reasons.

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Old 07-19-2018, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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Ill post my two cents as well. I left Montana almost a year ago, due to low wages and cost of living. I ended up in central Washington state. I secured my same job in the Seattle area, then took a permanent position near the tri cities. Central Washington is my suggestion. Its not to everyone's taste and it certainly doesn't compare to Montana outdoors, but; cost of living is low, wages are fairly high, economy is rolling right along, and 9 months of sunshine per year in this little desert climate pocket is unbeatable for this northern location.
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