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Old 10-16-2008, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I agree to a point but would you concede that the teachers shouldn't have to buy their own pencils or paper,or books for that matter? That's happening regularly here as I'm sure it is in alot of places.
That's part of what I'm talking about. Make sure they have all the basic supplies first and foremost. Lay off worrying about whether they've got all the latest technobabble, or whether the kids have "self-esteem", or whatever BS is the latest fad. If the kids want to do sports, let them -- hell, make it a class that you have to study for like any other (that's how GFHS did it when I was there).

But basic education FIRST. Because that's something you can't recover if you don't get it early, and get your brain trained to handle it. Paper and pencils and chalk and erasers and books, and a good teacher in a peaceful classroom, can accomplish everything our kids need.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:48 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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I once heard that at one time (and maybe still) that in Los Angeles the school district administrator's chauffeurs earned more money than the teachers ! I don't know if it's true but if it is it's a sad day.
It's also a sad day when they start cutting shop classes.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I once heard that at one time (and maybe still) that in Los Angeles the school district administrator's chauffeurs earned more money than the teachers ! I don't know if it's true but if it is it's a sad day.
It's also a sad day when they start cutting shop classes.
How much money goes where depends on who you ask... at a guess SoCal teachers are making around $40k. Dunno why the admin would need a chauffeur in the first place. How many taxpayers does it take to drive a limo??

Shop and Home Ec may be cordially hated by nearly everyone, but they're Real World skills that kids just don't get anymore. I agree, that sort of thing needs to stay in our schools. Not everyone is cut out for an office job, some people have a desire or a need to work with their hands, and it's better to know these basic skills than not. But "no one does that sort of thing anymore"..?? Of course not; no one teaches them about it!
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:56 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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One of my favorite memories from the 8th grade was building a large (2 1/2 foot long) model sailboat.
Blowing it to pieces a couple of years later was a good memory also !!!
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:29 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I learned how to sew in the 8th grade in Home Ec, I'm the only one in our family who knows how so guess who gets stuck fixing pants,shirts and socks?
I wish they still had those classes, same with auto shop. Those are basic life skills that people need to know, how to repair a pair of pants or check your own oil and change a tire....
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:48 AM
 
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Agree 100%. Our home ec was cut years ago. Still have shop thank goodness. I think our school could have done better than bringing in a gifted and talented program. Here, the kids who don't qualify for the gifted and talented program are the ones who need extra help in school. Obviously, the kids who did qualify for the program are doing just fine.
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