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Well, first off, wanderer, with all due respect, it is not "vente", but vingt for twenty.
Apart from that, the numbering isn’t a mimicking per se of French norms in that respect, it just was never an issue here that anyone brought up in terms of revamping the language. It’s not a bad idea, you can take it up with linguists up here, but you should be a bit more fluent if you want to come across with a modicum of authority.
As far as Quebecois and the perception that French people have of us, or that joual is poor man’s French, joual is a Quebecois invention, it was an affirmation of the local vernacular versus the proper French that the media and high society here were bent on promoting. Just as there are many accents and even residual languages in France; Quebec and the rest of French Canada, or Louisiana, are legitimate when putting their vernacular Front and Center.
KFC has been in Quebec far longer than in France, the early sixties at least, and even then, it was known as Poulet Frit Kentucky. The French want it to be English because of the cachet. Quebec was flooded with English signage for a long time before the lawmakers decided to restrict the use of it, for good reason, since it didn’t a) communicate with the majority of its citizens, and b) it didn’t project a truthful aspect and aspiration of the community of which I speak.
In Edmunston, New Brunswick, you have both KFC and PFK.
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so it's pretty pitiful that French Quebeckers will bend over backwards to try to be like the French, even to the point of militarism of the French language and keeping certain language groups out of Montreal, while Paris is one the most, if not the most, cosmopolitan cities in the world along with NYC, London, and Toronto.
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Ehhh.... it may ruffle some political feathers, but I just see it as part of Quebec's charm. There has never been any point in comparing Montreal to Paris by most measures. Montreal is most certainly provincial place, but I kind of like it that way. It doesn't need to be like other places.
Ehhh.... it may ruffle some political feathers, but I just see it as part of Quebec's charm. There has never been any point in comparing Montreal to Paris by most measures. Montreal is most certainly provincial place, but I kind of like it that way. It doesn't need to be like other places.
How is Montreal provincial compared to other comparable places? Seriously curious.
Interesting... I grew up using both, septante and soixante-dix, and huitante and quatre-vingt... Never used (nor heard) nonante though.
I believe in school we had to use "soixante-dix," but in casual talk we used septante.
I grew up partly in the countryside suburbs of the South Shore and in the city.
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Originally Posted by wanderer34
so it's pretty pitiful that French Quebeckers will bend over backwards to try to be like the French, even to the point of militarism of the French language and keeping certain language groups out of Montreal, while Paris is one the most, if not the most, cosmopolitan cities in the world along with NYC, London, and Toronto.
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Eh... Don't go to Quebec and say this. You will likely be hated. Quebecers are proud to be Quebecois -- Not "French." The Quebec flag is what's flown everywhere. Quebec has its own unique holidays and traditions. It is in no way trying to be "like The French."
Interesting... I grew up using both, septante and soixante-dix, and huitante and quatre-vingt... Never used (nor heard) nonante though.
I believe in school we had to use "soixante-dix," but in casual talk we used septante.
I grew up partly in the countryside suburbs of the South Shore and in the city.
Eh... Don't go to Quebec and say this. You will likely be hated. Quebecers are proud to be Quebecois -- Not "French." The Quebec flag is what's flown everywhere. Quebec has its own unique holidays and traditions. It is in no way trying to be "like The French."
Exactly. How a language or dialect is spoken determines the identity of the group speaking that language or dialect. There should not be any international movement to standardize any language lest every English speaker is ordered to say "fortnight" instead of two weeks, "full stop" instead of period, and spell program as "programme". Most Americans and Anglo-Canadians would not listen anyways.
The French were first to settle or at least discover the present State of Kentucky. Father Joliet and the Marquis de La Salle explored that region. How else could the largest city in that state be called Louisville and one of its most well known exports be Bourbon whiskey? Maybe a PFK sign ought to be put up at all Kentucky Fried Chicken locations in Kentucky. Historically it would not be out of place.
The French were first to settle or at least discover the present State of Kentucky. Father Joliet and the Marquis de La Salle explored that region. How else could the largest city in that state be called Louisville and one of its most well known exports be Bourbon whiskey? Maybe a PFK sign ought to be put up at all Kentucky Fried Chicken locations in Kentucky. Historically it would not be out of place.
You just made an excellent Cosmo point. Yup.
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