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150 in the middle of the week on lunch hour...not bad at all.
Was Rosa Parks there? Anybody have any trouble getting served at the lunch counters?
We shall overcome....the Chicago Gangsters.
Serious Side note: All money that can be gathered on the planet is going to finance China's expansion.
12% Growth Rate Projected for this year...greatest peacetime Capitalist growth of
any country in history.
That means simply this: After the Stimulus Paper is printed here, (and the potholes
are patched, as none of this money is financing long term job creation, we will see
a long period of inflation, no money will be available to get the country back on any
solid financial track..
I don't get this about Rosa Parks and lunch counters. You throw race into a lot of these threads. What's up with that?
Amen to what you said, westvissouri. You're right, it's class warfare. The rich control the politicians and the media and they're coming after you with all their anti-government nonsense.
Yes, nobody likes government waste, pork barrel spending, etc. And we'd all like to pay as little in taxes as reasonably possible.
But when people start spouting this "socialist" baloney and "Obama is Hitler" and whatnot, they're just basically saying: We've got our money, we're greedy, it's all about us us us, and f#ck the rest of y'all. Demonize the poor, demonize immigrants, demonize the less-fortunate. Class warfare indeed.
Amen to what you said, westvissouri. You're right, it's class warfare. The rich control the politicians and the media and they're coming after you with all their anti-government nonsense.
Yes, nobody likes government waste, pork barrel spending, etc. And we'd all like to pay as little in taxes as reasonably possible.
But when people start spouting this "socialist" baloney and "Obama is Hitler" and whatnot, they're just basically saying: We've got our money, we're greedy, it's all about us us us, and f#ck the rest of y'all. Demonize the poor, demonize immigrants, demonize the less-fortunate. Class warfare indeed.
The definition of "greed" is expecting to profit from something without paying for it. That would be the "poor" and others who demand more govt programs and social services without bearing the cost of those programs. It is NOT greedy for wealthy and upper-class people to want to KEEP what they earned.
As a fiscal conservative...and somewhat socially liberal - more of a 'libertarian' in nature...with a slight democratic bent - i.e. believe in some federal regulation of businesses and making sure the little guy doesn't get completely trounced on.
BUT anyways...nontheless...my big problem with the TEA PARTY is not that they aren't right about government spending. They are VERY correct about that. My problem is it is the REPUBLICAN PARTY they should have been protesting against. Over the last 30 years, our Republican presidents have spent significantly more than our Democratic presidents. Most of the mess we are in is because of massive spending by George W. Bush.
If the TEA PARTY was out in force during the Bush years...I'd be 100% for them.
As it is, they just came out of nowhere when Obama was elected. There basic message is elect Republicans, not Democrats. Meanwhile, Republicans spend significantly more...and since the pull the wool over their followers eyes....they have zero accountability.
If Tea Party people were bipartisan and were out during the Bush years, I could get behind them. But they are just anti-Obama, anti-Democrat...and that's really all they are. The Republican Party is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the Democratic Party when it comes to spending - and I speak this as a 'fiscal conservative' myself.
I'm fairly well educated... degrees from five universities, one the most prestigious in its field, and I agree with what they are saying. There are millions just like me. Just because we don't have a bunch of Ha'vad educated elitists spewing the party line, and just because most of us are rooted in the real world rather than academia doesn't mean we aren't well educated, or even better informed than most who have never had to get their hands dirty. And, what is the difference between Sarah saying critical things about leftist idologies when the opposition does the same thing with "change", even if it might be change for the worse. Tell me something... are you better off now than you were a year and a half ago? If not, then that change hasn't worked out as promised now, has it?
You expect monumental changes within a period of a year?..... Really!? The situation that we are in took years to develop, consequently any fix would require at least half the time that the issue arose in to be fully addressed. This is the largest downturn economically post WWII and as such will not miraculously correct itself over a short period of time. Heck Obama just started working with a budget totally of his administration’s drawings as all of Bush’s budgetary items did not expire until two months ago.
Jobs are now being created, the last quarter saw the largest increase in jobs for over three years. To correct our current joblessness several months of creation at that level would be needed. What I find so frustrating is that so many Americans are short sighted and develop amnesia, blaming individuals and their policies for their problems without seriously looking at the forces at play. Our economic situation is a serious issue and cannot be chalked up to thirty second sound bites and illusions to socialism.
As a fiscal conservative...and somewhat socially liberal - more of a 'libertarian' in nature...with a slight democratic bent - i.e. believe in some federal regulation of businesses and making sure the little guy doesn't get completely trounced on.
BUT anyways...nontheless...my big problem with the TEA PARTY is not that they aren't right about government spending. They are VERY correct about that. My problem is it is the REPUBLICAN PARTY they should have been protesting against. Over the last 30 years, our Republican presidents have spent significantly more than our Democratic presidents. Most of the mess we are in is because of massive spending by George W. Bush.
If the TEA PARTY was out in force during the Bush years...I'd be 100% for them.
As it is, they just came out of nowhere when Obama was elected. There basic message is elect Republicans, not Democrats. Meanwhile, Republicans spend significantly more...and since the pull the wool over their followers eyes....they have zero accountability.
If Tea Party people were bipartisan and were out during the Bush years, I could get behind them. But they are just anti-Obama, anti-Democrat...and that's really all they are. The Republican Party is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the Democratic Party when it comes to spending - and I speak this as a 'fiscal conservative' myself.
Agreed. The sad thing about politics and policy activism these days is that the ideology is fixed and the facts are selected to support the ideology. That fact that most of our media outlets are clogged with shouting conservative demagogues who saturate the air waves with self-serving disinformation has created a culture where everything from chinese politics to athlete's foot are the fault of some liberal. No matter what the details of any policy issue are, a Rush Palin or Glenn Limbaugh soundbite will do. Global warming (alarmist), regulations (socialist), providing health care for our citizens (socialist), engaging in forein diplomacy (groveling).
In this case, the deficit and government takeover are presented as evidence to the incredible power grab by the current democratic administration. The tax cuts coupled with an unneeded war, deregulation and the predictable fraud and meltdown that followed, and the long-term declines in progressive tax rates of the last three decades have nothing to do with it. It is all just due to Obamination. The double standards and historical invalidity of the current fury are what bother me. I think fiscal conservatism is a very good thing, but it is really a bipartisan concern, and during a deep recession with high jobless rates is usually not a time to cut government spending, which tends to provide a degree of stability when the private sector tanks. Hopefully, the economy will retrench; in a year or two and we can attack the deficit with an intelligent combination of fiscal constraint AND tax increases. There is no other way, and now is really not the time to do it. I personally would be glad to pay a bit more so that I do not leave a deficit to future generations. The "I want to KEEP mine," when I voted in politicians that created this deficit seems selfish and short-sighted.
Agreed. The sad thing about politics and policy activism these days is that the ideology is fixed and the facts are selected to support the ideology. That fact that most of our media outlets are clogged with shouting conservative demagogues who saturate the air waves with self-serving disinformation has created a culture where everything from chinese politics to athlete's foot are the fault of some liberal. No matter what the details of any policy issue are, a Rush Palin or Glenn Limbaugh soundbite will do. Global warming (alarmist), regulations (socialist), providing health care for our citizens (socialist), engaging in forein diplomacy (groveling).
In this case, the deficit and government takeover are presented as evidence to the incredible power grab by the current democratic administration. The tax cuts coupled with an unneeded war, deregulation and the predictable fraud and meltdown that followed, and the long-term declines in progressive tax rates of the last three decades have nothing to do with it. It is all just due to Obamination. The double standards and historical invalidity of the current fury are what bother me. I think fiscal conservatism is a very good thing, but it is really a bipartisan concern, and during a deep recession with high jobless rates is usually not a time to cut government spending, which tends to provide a degree of stability when the private sector tanks. Hopefully, the economy will retrench; in a year or two and we can attack the deficit with an intelligent combination of fiscal constraint AND tax increases. There is no other way, and now is really not the time to do it. I personally would be glad to pay a bit more so that I do not leave a deficit to future generations. The "I want to KEEP mine," when I voted in politicians that created this deficit seems selfish and short-sighted.
I agree whole heartedly.. Periods of economic decline are not better served by a tightening of government funding. Of additional I would like of you to take a look at the following link.
I find the length at which individuals are willing to go currently when they disagree with government policies and the individuals backing those policies. By embracing such extreme measures these demonstrators with hopes of gathering more supporters may in the end push alienate themselves from the greater populace. Calls to use bricks against political leaders in no way demonstrates reasonable judgment.
I agree whole heartedly.. Periods of economic decline are not better served by a tightening of government funding. Of additional I would like of you to take a look at the following link.
I find the length at which individuals are willing to go currently when they disagree with government policies and the individuals backing those policies. By embracing such extreme measures these demonstrators with hopes of gathering more supporters may in the end push alienate themselves from the greater populace. Calls to use bricks against political leaders in no way demonstrates reasonable judgment.
I checked out the article. Dim white guys acting aggrieved and belligerent. What is new about that? Interesting that during the biggest expansion of Executive power in decades (the Bush/Cheney Administration) they did not feel the need to do so. Nor would it have been legal to bear arms in national parks. But they have been driven to this by the tyranny of Obamination, I suppose. Oh wait I remember one of these guys who dreamed of owning a gunshop and brandishing weapons to impress people from the last Democratic Presidency, I think you will find his biography interesting:
I think that is what I find so distasteful about all this hyperpartisan Tea Party stuff. Whipping uncritical people into a lather is easy and it makes billions for talk show demagogues, and gives people a feeling of patriotic superiority, but some people take it all seriously and end up killing people.
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