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Old 11-07-2014, 10:14 AM
 
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I'm considering a HELOC for some home improvements but I believe prime will rise in the not too distant future, making a variable rate loan a risky proposition.

TD Bank has a fixed rate HELOC option (this is still a HELOC, not Home Equity Loan) with a 15 year fixed rate of 4.49%. There is only a $99 loan origination fee and a $50 annual fee after the first year. Principal will be repaid on the fixed rate option during the draw period. There is no early repayment penalty and the line of credit can be terminated with no penalty after three years.

Seems pretty attractive. Has anyone elected for a similar loan recently? How did your terms compare? Any potential pitfalls?

Tipsy
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Old 11-07-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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Make sure you factor in those fees to your interest rates.

Let's say you think you're going to borrow $5,000 against the HELOC.

$5,000 @ 4.5% = $225/yr + $50 fee + ($99/15) = $281/yr in interest/fees.

That's actually roughly equivalent to a 5.63% rate. Not horrible as far as loan rates go, but it's something to be aware of. With an annual fee, the less you borrow, the higher your effective rate becomes(Extreme example, borrow only $1 and you're paying a rate of 5600%). At the same time, the reverse is true and as you borrow more, the fee becomes a smaller portion of your interest.

$25,000 @ 4.5% = $1125/yr + $50 fee + ($99/15) = $1181/yr in interest/fees. Which is only a 4.72% rate.

Just keep in mind that no matter what, you'll always be higher than 4.5% because of fees.

Edit: I just realized there's no $50 for the first year, but you get the point. I just don't feel like redoing the numbers.
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Old 11-07-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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Thanks for the response. I realize the fees to affect the bottom line. But with the potential for prime to increase, especially with the presidential election less than two years away, 4.5% seems like a fairly aggressive rate, no?

The reality is that I'd take fairly large cash draw to pay for a room addition (approximately $45K), and then repay the loan as aggressively as possible. Once repaid, I'd close the HELOC.

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Old 11-07-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Thanks for the response. I realize the fees to affect the bottom line. But with the potential for prime to increase, especially with the presidential election less than two years away, 4.5% seems like a fairly aggressive rate, no?

The reality is that I'd take fairly large cash draw to pay for a room addition (approximately $45K), and then repay the loan as aggressively as possible. Once repaid, I'd close the HELOC.

Tipsy
What is the rate and term on your first mortgage?
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Old 11-07-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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What is the rate and term on your first mortgage?
2 1/2 years into a 15 year at 3.25%.

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Old 11-08-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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What would be your rate on a new 15 fixed, cash out, no cost loan? You need to consider your loan balances and look at your blended rate.
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Old 11-08-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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What would be your rate on a new 15 fixed, cash out, no cost loan? You need to consider your loan balances and look at your blended rate.
I'll have to look at the 15 year rates. I'd rather not do a full refi but I guess I need to explore that option, if it makes the most financial sense.

Tipsy
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I'll have to look at the 15 year rates. I'd rather not do a full refi but I guess I need to explore that option, if it makes the most financial sense.

Tipsy
If the 1st is a small amount, it won't pencil out. If it is large is might.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Mount Laurel
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I'm considering a HELOC for some home improvements but I believe prime will rise in the not too distant future, making a variable rate loan a risky proposition.

TD Bank has a fixed rate HELOC option (this is still a HELOC, not Home Equity Loan) with a 15 year fixed rate of 4.49%. There is only a $99 loan origination fee and a $50 annual fee after the first year. Principal will be repaid on the fixed rate option during the draw period. There is no early repayment penalty and the line of credit can be terminated with no penalty after three years.

Seems pretty attractive. Has anyone elected for a similar loan recently? How did your terms compare? Any potential pitfalls?

Tipsy
How much equity do you have in your home? Will you need at least $25K?

Try Penfed. Their 5/5 HELOC product is 3.75%. Not fixed for 15 years but you will be good for 5 years before rate is adjusted.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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How much equity do you have in your home? Will you need at least $25K?

Try Penfed. Their 5/5 HELOC product is 3.75%. Not fixed for 15 years but you will be good for 5 years before rate is adjusted.
Equity is close to 50%. Yes, I'd likely need about $40K. I'll have a look at Penfed.

I spoke to a couple of lenders and refi doesn't seem like the right way to go. I'm currently at 3.25%. The rates I've been quoted have been higher than that. With several thousand in closing costs, it doesn't make sense when compared to the fixed rate HELOC.

Tipsy
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