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Old 01-15-2016, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Michissippi
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Imagine that you have a choice of two loans. With Loan B, your home state gives you 3% of your loan's value that you can keep and use towards a down payment, but you're stuck with a higher interest rate (and if you move within 8 years you have to pay back an amount prorated for what's left of 8 years time). I wouldn't mind a "gift" of $4800 from the state, but I can manage without it and choose Mortgage A if it's the best option. Which is better? Using the Mortgage Calculator I get these numbers:

Mortgage A:
$160,000 at 3.88%
Monthly payment = $753
Total of 360 payments = $271,021
Total interest paid = $111,021

Mortgage B
$155,200 (which is $160k - 3%) at 4.45%
Monthly payment = $782
Total of 360 payments = $281,438
Total interest paid = $126,238

At a difference of $29/month, it would take 165 months (13 years, 9 months) to make up $4800 in the monthly payment.

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Old 01-15-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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What gift? Mortgage B you are paying a higher payment, higher interest and higher total payments. There is no gift of $4800.

Mortgage A is the better deal.
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Old 01-15-2016, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Michissippi
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Well, yeah, with Mortgage B you have a higher monthly payment, but you also have $4800 more money (that diminishes down to zero after 13 years, nine months) before you start to lose money.

Perhaps whether or not it's worthwhile depends on when you plan to sell the house?

I guess overall, as things stand now, I'd prefer Mortage A. If the interest rate gap were to shrink, Mortgage B might become more interesting.
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Old 01-15-2016, 08:50 PM
 
Location: MID ATLANTIC
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There's more to this picture. The PMI on a 100% financing is different than a 97% loan program.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn View Post

At a difference of $29/month, it would take 165 months (13 years, 9 months) to make up $4800 in the monthly payment.
You should look at the remaining balance too.

If you paid $29 a month extra to loan #1, so your payment matches loan #2, your remaining balances would be the same at about month 82, 6 years 8 months. I haven't taken into consideration tax deduction or the PMI that SmartMoney brings up.

What happens in loan #2 if you refinance, do you have to pay back a prorated amount?

Although it is not called a prepayment penalty, it functions in much of the same manner.
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Old 01-16-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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What gift? Mortgage B you are paying a higher payment, higher interest and higher total payments. There is no gift of $4800.

Mortgage A is the better deal.
Not necessarily. If you sell (or refi) after 8 years, you actually do better with B, because the balance is lower.
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Old 01-16-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn View Post
Imagine that you have a choice of two loans. With Loan B, your home state gives you 3% of your loan's value that you can keep and use towards a down payment, but you're stuck with a higher interest rate (and if you move within 8 years you have to pay back an amount prorated for what's left of 8 years time). I wouldn't mind a "gift" of $4800 from the state, but I can manage without it and choose Mortgage A if it's the best option. Which is better? Using the Mortgage Calculator I get these numbers:

Mortgage A:
$160,000 at 3.88%
Monthly payment = $753
Total of 360 payments = $271,021
Total interest paid = $111,021

Mortgage B
$155,200 (which is $160k - 3%) at 4.45%
Monthly payment = $782
Total of 360 payments = $281,438
Total interest paid = $126,238

At a difference of $29/month, it would take 165 months (13 years, 9 months) to make up $4800 in the monthly payment.
Your monthly payment is solely the principal and interest payment and does not include PMI, taxes, or insurance, the big one there is the PMI and any UMIP on either loan. Post the full numbers and you will easily tell the difference between the two. If you were to pay the additional $29 to option A every month, very unlikely but still, you would save $8,530 in interest, totaling $102,490 in interest payments or $23,748 less than option B, and shave 2 full years off the life of the loan.

As a side note, and I've posted this before a bunch, the average homeowner keeps a home for 16 years before selling it. If you kept the home past the 165 month mark you begin losing money for basically nothing.
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Old 01-16-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Not necessarily. If you sell (or refi) after 8 years, you actually do better with B, because the balance is lower.

After 8 year 96 months
Loan A
96 x $753 = $72,288 payments
Balance $133,589


Loan B
96 x $782 = $75,072
Balanace 131,471

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Loan A versus B
Savings in Payments
75,072 - 72,288 = $2784

Difference in Balance

131,471 - 133,589 = - $2118

You'll have a lower balance but would have paid more in monthly payments.
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Old 01-17-2016, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Originally Posted by thelopez2 View Post
month 82, 6 years 8 months.
Sorry 6 years 10 months.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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Your monthly payment is solely the principal and interest payment and does not include PMI, taxes, or insurance, the big one there is the PMI and any UMIP on either loan. Post the full numbers and you will easily tell the difference between the two. If you were to pay the additional $29 to option A every month, very unlikely but still, you would save $8,530 in interest, totaling $102,490 in interest payments or $23,748 less than option B, and shave 2 full years off the life of the loan.

As a side note, and I've posted this before a bunch, the average homeowner keeps a home for 16 years before selling it. If you kept the home past the 165 month mark you begin losing money for basically nothing.

Didnt understand the last line.....how do we lose if we keep the home past 165 month mark???
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