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Old 12-06-2022, 02:39 PM
 
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Rion RE90

This 2 kWh scooter goes up to 100 mph but is limited to 80 mph for safety.

Rental scooters in Pittsburgh are limited to 15 mph. Class 3 ebikes are limited to 28 mph. I literall don't understand how it is legal to operate a standing scooter in CA at speeds up to 80 mph,
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Old 12-06-2022, 02:48 PM
 
Location: The DMV
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Rion RE90

This 2 kWh scooter goes up to 100 mph but is limited to 80 mph for safety.

Rental scooters in Pittsburgh are limited to 15 mph. Class 3 ebikes are limited to 28 mph. I literall don't understand how it is legal to operate a standing scooter in CA at speeds up to 80 mph,
Well... it likely isn't legal to operate them at that speed.
There is a difference between how fast they CAN go vs. how fast you are allowed to take them.

Really no different than cars. There are cars that can go way faster than the speed limit... but, obviously, it's not technically legal to do so.
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Old 12-08-2022, 05:50 AM
 
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Rion RE90

This 2 kWh scooter goes up to 100 mph but is limited to 80 mph for safety.

Rental scooters in Pittsburgh are limited to 15 mph. Class 3 ebikes are limited to 28 mph. I literall don't understand how it is legal to operate a standing scooter in CA at speeds up to 80 mph,

I'd pass on 80 mph on a scooter..........interesting to see how they do with a bump in the road and of course braking
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Old 12-10-2022, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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The Suzuki Bergman line of scooters can go fairly quickly.

I can't see standing on any platform at 80mph as being very stable, though.

Be like standing on the hood (bonnet) of an 80mph car...

Talk about vulnerable...
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Old 12-12-2022, 02:16 PM
 
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Rion RE90

This 2 kWh scooter goes up to 100 mph but is limited to 80 mph for safety.

Rental scooters in Pittsburgh are limited to 15 mph. Class 3 ebikes are limited to 28 mph. I literall don't understand how it is legal to operate a standing scooter in CA at speeds up to 80 mph,
As a lifelong motorcyclist, my thoughts on scooters are best captured by Ralph Nader's assessment of the Chevrolet Corvair. Unsafe at speed.

The small wheels are much, much more susceptible to falling into potholes, as well as causing general instability. I currently own a modified Yamaha R1M and a 2022 Kawasaki H2 SX and I feel much safer on either of these 200hp monsters than on the most benign scooter.

If safety is a concern, buy an actual motorcycle. Even 15 mph is too fast on a scooter.
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Old 12-12-2022, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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As a lifelong motorcyclist, my thoughts on scooters are best captured by Ralph Nader's assessment of the Chevrolet Corvair. Unsafe at speed.

The small wheels are much, much more susceptible to falling into potholes, as well as causing general instability. I currently own a modified Yamaha R1M and a 2022 Kawasaki H2 SX and I feel much safer on either of these 200hp monsters than on the most benign scooter.

If safety is a concern, buy an actual motorcycle. Even 15 mph is too fast on a scooter.
How do you like the "Big Bang" engine configuration? Do you find it easier to come off corners under power? (Without it wanting to "come around" on you?)
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Old 12-13-2022, 06:46 AM
 
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How do you like the "Big Bang" engine configuration? Do you find it easier to come off corners under power? (Without it wanting to "come around" on you?)
Relative to my previous bikes of similar performance (GSX-R 1000, for example), its hard to say because the R1's electronics masks the engine's true character. My GSX-R, with similar weight and wheelbase, but no electronic nannies, was an absolute animal. It was terrifying, to be honest. I can ride the R1 harder and get on the gas sooner coming out of corners, but I think most of that is due to electronics, not engine configuration.
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Old 12-13-2022, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Sunnybrook Farm
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With even a tiny pothole the rider will be doing a faceplant. I have holes on my street that those wee wheels would fall right into. Anything faster than running speed is going to be highly dangerous.
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Old 12-13-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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I saw one on a 35 mph road yesterday, guy had headlight/rear light and was wearing a full face helmet, knee pads/gloves/elbow pads so clearly he expects to fall at some point.

Biggest danger was he was tall and thin on the road, like you might not see him if he was in a blind spot. Not sure if his profile would get picked up by lane change technology either.
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Old 12-13-2022, 03:40 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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As a lifelong motorcyclist, my thoughts on scooters are best captured by Ralph Nader's assessment of the Chevrolet Corvair. Unsafe at speed.

The small wheels are much, much more susceptible to falling into potholes, as well as causing general instability. I currently own a modified Yamaha R1M and a 2022 Kawasaki H2 SX and I feel much safer on either of these 200hp monsters than on the most benign scooter.

If safety is a concern, buy an actual motorcycle. Even 15 mph is too fast on a scooter.



I wouldn't trust Nader's assessment of any motor vehicle given he doesn't drive and his book offered engineering assessments from people like traffic cops and when he attempted to diagram a swing axle (as also used by Porsche on the 356 at the time) 'tucking under' he conveniently neglected to mention that was only possible if a shock broke.

I used to see a Corvair Spyder convertible locally with the license plate: NADRSUX.
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