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Now, there's a question: is there any Bond movie where the leading lady does not have a face to face with the villain? Leading lady as in the woman he ends the movie with....or close to it.
The only one I can think of before Daniel Craig is "You Only Live Twice". "Licence to Kill" might be another but Carey did have a lot of interaction with the enemy organization.
Are the movies different now? In that previous world, it was always so often a competition between Bond and the villain where grabbing Bond's girl was a trophy to be had. If the movies are different now from that, perhaps that is a reason why more women, as it is reported, are watching the flicks.
Now, that question didn't come up because of this thread but rather a Degrees of Bacon question of movies where the leading lady does not appear with the leading villain.
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Now, there's a question: is there any Bond movie where the leading lady does not have a face to face with the villain? Leading lady as in the woman he ends the movie with....or close to it.
The only one I can think of before Daniel Craig is "You Only Live Twice". "Licence to Kill" might be another but Carey did have a lot of interaction with the enemy organization.
Are the movies different now? In that previous world, it was always so often a competition between Bond and the villain where grabbing Bond's girl was a trophy to be had. If the movies are different now from that, perhaps that is a reason why more women, as it is reported, are watching the flicks.
Now, that question didn't come up because of this thread but rather a Degrees of Bacon question of movies where the leading lady does not appear with the leading villain.
Oooh, good one.
I don't recall Vesper Lynd having any interaction with Mr. White (except, as is implied, by phone). I can't think of any others, though.
What about the films where no Bond Girl survives to the end?
Skyfall
Casino Royale
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
I don't recall Vesper Lynd having any interaction with Mr. White (except, as is implied, by phone). I can't think of any others, though.
What about the films where no Bond Girl survives to the end?
Skyfall
Casino Royale
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
are the only ones I can think of.
I can't say for I only watched that flick once. As far as the 1967 version goes, she was at the end of the table facing the big man, so yes in a face off. As far as movies go, there is that question to how complex is the shot. Ie,
"Were Peter O'Toole and Ursula Andres in the same scene, on the same set, in Casino Royale?" Most probably yes because that scene was too complex to have to do it twice.
What is the death count of 007 women these days?
Dr. No: 0; FRWL: 0; GF: 2; TB: 1 (the other was an enemy); YOLT: 1; OHMSS: 1; DAF: 1; LaLD: 1 (Gloria was not entirely an enemy); MWTGG: (1, same condition); TSWLM: (1 or 2 (Stromberg's double agent assistant to shark, Fekkish's mistress shot in Bond's arms as she tried to warn him)); MR: 1; FYEO: 1; OP: 0?; VTAK: 1 (double agent); TLD: 0?; LtK: 0? GE: 0? TND: 1; TWINE: 0-1 (depending on how cigar girl is counted); DAD: 0 (doing it all from memory so my numbers could be wrong.
Are women being killed "less" in the current flicks?
I've never seen Skyfall. As far as OHMSS, well that is how it was in the book and I suppose it is a matter of opinion, movie wise, of whether 007 ended up with the girl in the end or he didn't. Further, Tracy was used as a pawn between all the men. While Diana Rigg was wonderful in saving herself, between getting Blofeld away from the radio and then the wine bottle scene, it was still 007, Blofeld, ....... and dear old dad who used her.
I really liked Craig in the Bond role, but I think he timed his exit perfectly with Spectre.
My favorites, from most to least.
Sean Connery - Sexual chemistry for miles.
Daniel Craig - Brought the dark, edgy aspect back to the Bond character.
Pierce Brosnan - Too pretty, too fey.
Roger Moore - Too campy.
George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton - Too forgettable.
I would hope that a reboot would present us a Bond that stayed more true to the character as written by Fleming.
Late 30's
Not conventionally handsome, but possessing loads of masculine energy
Thinning hair
An aesthete
Dark and ruthless, to the point of appearing sociopathic
Fleming once said that he envisioned Bond's physical appearance to be similar to actor/musician Hoagy Carmichael.
Not exactly on topic but kinda-sorta related: I wish that a Hollywood studio took a chance at making a film based on Modesty Blaise. It would be interesting to see a woman in a role that is so James Bond-esque...(and I already know who could play her...Gal Gadot).
I agree, he was my favorite Bond with his tongue-in-cheek portrayal of Bond.
Well, two things with Roger and then, one other thing.
First of all, one has to remember that at the time, he was about the only thing we had in a media that was about the only thing we had.
The second thing was that Roger Moore was pretty well established with us as being what we wanted. The Saint, The Persuaders, (Ivanhoe if one went back that far), his good movies on the side (Gold, The Wild Geese, Shout at the Devil, etc)).
Finally, the early 007-Moore movies were pretty darn good for the story, the actresses, the villains, the chases, the femme fatales, the supporting cast, and the exquisite violence that wasn't explicit.
LaLD: wonderful theme song (if Wings does it, sucks with whoever does it now), great chases, terrific David Hedison just a few years afte VttBotS, wonderful Jane Seymour, incredible henchmen that just keep coming, great lines from Yaphet Koto from charming to evil in the blink of an eye and that story....think about it, he is going to enslave millions as junkies and he has not one drop of humanity in his blood.
TMWTGG: We start out with a great story by Bond going on a search and destroy. We have the ultimate villain with Christopher Lee. The chase, well, that was probably so-so, but our backgrounds were swell. We get to see 007 kicked in his sails by Mary Goodnight. Mary Goodnight is a complexity, perhaps an unbelievable one, from going from a klutz to an agent who must realize her fate, but Britt plays the part pretty well, such as with the absolute dread on her face when Karg takes his interest in her personally.
TSWLM: If Christopher Lee is the ultimate villain, then Caroline Munro is the ultimate femme fatale. This is the first time that 007 has directly killed a woman. Of all the Moore movies, I probably watched this one the most. Terrific chases, wonderful supporting cast of terrific men such as Shane Rimmer and George Leech. A delusional villain with the means to do it.....and one that steals Bond's girl, too! Beautiful assassins (well, if you are Michael Billington, you're a knock out) and a leading lady that at least gives 007 a run for his money. Jaws, I'm not so sure, though. While he may have been over the top, he does fit the phrase of "your worst nightmare".
Moonraker: Okay, done to feed in on the Star Wars craze, but to put it nicely, way too much of the cute stuff. I think my most favorite part of the flick is where Colonel Scott is talking to General Gogol when the station shows up on the scopes. There's the saber rattling and then, the common talk between two sides of people who have many restless nights. Another thing is that it was this movie or just "before it" where Bond somehow turns Minister of Defence Gray into something not a friend. So we don't have a total tongue in cheek movie with supporting characters not impressed by his antics.
FYEO: After Moonraker, a nice return to low key spy stuff. They handled it well with Bernard Lee's death by putting him on vacation, nice opener (although we the audience suspected that Blofeld would still return, not know the back story), and a simple but entrancing plot. You know when General Gogol tells the chairman on the phone he has assigned his usual contact and then we see the seaplane? I thought at that moment that the contact was her. Fantastic chases, a good villain, a beautiful henchman, gorgeous sadistic assassins, perhaps a comic relief we could do without. A decent supporting player with his only private army and all in all, a great movie. This is one I usually watch after a Saturday of diving. We got back to 007 being raked over the coals when his bosses weren't happy with his work. About the only down thing about the flick was.....007 diving in the Med in a full wet suit.
Ocpy: It has its points. Start off with a decent intro and actually, that is one thing about the entire flick in that it did a pretty incredible display of leg through out. A decent, unconventional chase, 007 displayed as an adventurer to the villains, two terrific villains, some great henchmen, and a terrific tension building countdown. The final assault on the villains hide out, though, was eeeh; not the way we had come to expect Bond and his private army. The violence was exquisite without being explicit such as what was going to happen to 007 in the drug interrogation. We got the intro of a new M (who I want to believe was Admiral Hargreaves but that is just speculation) who showed Bond that he was not so forgiving.
VTAK: You don't have to be able to act if you're a psychotic villain and Walken nailed it perfectly when he was gunning down the miners. Other than that, though..... The trailer was horrible and the briefing rather weak, though M slapping it down to Bond was nice. The leading lady was fantastic but the interchange between 007 and MI-6 agent (Patrick M)was rather atrocious. The secondary enemy was incompetent (the Soviets).The 2nd level femme fatales were weak, the chases iffy, and Grace Jones about 80% effective. Seeing the softer side of Bond was not that hot and I wonder if we were watching an 007 version of "Goldengirl".
Finally, of course, as the movies got later, Roger Moore got older, and the actresses got younger.
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