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Not really. Spacey is a bit of a monster, and everyone in Hollywood has known it since at least the '90s. Only a teeny tiny bit of his actual behavior has been publicized by the media. If you ask around in Hollywood, his behavior is notorious. The guy isn't just gay. Being gay if fashionable in Hollywood. Spacey is a predator and has been for years.
Maybe. And I won't try to defend him. But such rumors are rampant for nearly every notable in H'wood and his exile is more or less based on one claim that somehow evaporated when the victim was called on to prove it.
It's not his being gay: it's being opaquely coy about it for far too long and having it be a sordid component of the claims. Something that should have been "oh, really" and was pressurized into old-school scandal.
I will watch Jane Fonda prior to her trip to Vietnam. After that, no way in hell. So … Barberella.
Yup, she is the only one whose films I won't watch.
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Angelina Jolie? What did she do?
She dumped Brad.
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Not really. Spacey is a bit of a monster, and everyone in Hollywood has known it since at least the '90s. Only a teeny tiny bit of his actual behavior has been publicized by the media. If you ask around in Hollywood, his behavior is notorious. The guy isn't just gay. Being gay if fashionable in Hollywood. Spacey is a predator and has been for years.
Spacey was no different than any gay man in LA, except in his case he had guys literally throwing themselves at him.
It has been 3 years since he was accused. Where are the criminal charges? The lawsuits? It's super easy to destroy someone's reputation, but it gets dicey when you have to go under oath and provide details and proof.
It has been 3 years since he was accused. Where are the criminal charges? The lawsuits? It's super easy to destroy someone's reputation, but it gets dicey when you have to go under oath and provide details and proof.
Well it's kind of hard to go under oath and provide details and proof when you're dead. One of his accusers died of cancer.
Spacey was no different than any gay man in LA, except in his case he had guys literally throwing themselves at him.
No. Ask around. Spacey was a notorious predator with a long train of victims behind him. It's one of the reasons there wasn't a lot of cultural pressure for Spacey to come out of the closet. Everyone knew what a monster he was, and no one really wanted him on the team. And I do mean "everyone." I am hardly a Hollywood insider, but I knew a few people in those circles, and stories about Spacey were already widely known throughout the industry at least as far back as the '90s. The stuff that actually came out in the media isn't even half of it.
That said ... Spacey is hardly alone in his behavior. He was scapegoated. Lots and lots of powerful people in Hollywood have done things far worse without consequences.
Some I can and some I cannot. I guess it depends on what they did and how I feel about that particular thing. Like mentioned earlier, I cannot usually look at the face and separate the incident or the personality. I don't begrudge anyone a few indiscretions but there are a few I simply cannot watch anything they are in.
What have you got against Allen? People seem to think he married his own daughter, or molested some child. He did neither. Soon-Yi Previn was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and Andre Previn when they were married. She is not a blood relative of Farrow or Allen or even Previn. She was 22 years old, not a child, when the romance with Allen began. Soon-Yi had a great many things to say about Farrow's notions of being a mother, none very flattering. Finally, contrary to what seems to be believed, Farrow and Allen were never married, nor did they even live together. They each had their own apartments on opposite sides of Central Park. Their actual relationship was an extended, on and off sort of thing.
What in all this is it that is supposed to make Allen such a moral abomination?
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Not to mention they have been happily married for 23 years.
A helluva longer than Mia and Frank, Mia and Andre, and abut 98.5% of Hollywood.
No. Ask around. Spacey was a notorious predator with a long train of victims behind him.
Not dismissing this, but industry rumors are just that; everyone has stories and some of the nastiest are about those who seem the most upright and pleasant and so forth.
Actual accusations against Spacey seemed to boil down to one or two, and the centerpiece one that is more or less the reason he was blacklisted has gone down some murky and questionable roads, with just perhaps the young man making the claim not quite as 'innocent' as he presented himself. And unless I missed something, Spacey was a 'seducer,' not a rapist. There is a difference.
I dunno. It's kind of an ugly industry that attracts and rewards those who are pretty ugly on the inside. At what point does an actor have to be morally clear to be accepted as an actor?
What in all this is it that is supposed to make Allen such a moral abomination?
No one who has served as a parental figure can marry that child without there being some serious moral implications. The genetic and marital history is irrelevant; the first merely removes outright incest as legally defined. (And, I believe, the concept is extended to foster and adopted children even though there is no genetic/biblical notion of incest involved.) IOW, Allen could only marry her because she was not his child genetically or (by a technical margin) legally. She was still a minor under his parentage for a number of years.
Boo-yah that they have such a happy marriage. Yay. He's still tainted by his choice. (And, frankly, it's the least of the reasons I can't stand the little wart.)
Spacey was a 'seducer,' not a rapist. There is a difference.
Spacey was a seducer in the same way that Harvey Weinstein was a seducer. The only difference is that Spacey preyed on young men instead of women. They both used their influence and power to take advantage of people.
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