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Old 11-07-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: The Bay and Maryland
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not to mention fluffy pop music -- and I use the word music loosely)
This is the most ill-informed thing I've read on this thread. All of your so-called "Real" Hip Hop acts used to be played on the mainstream radio and MTV and BET 20 or more years ago. Not all Old School Hip Hop had deep contemplative messages either. Some of it was just having fun and elementary as nursery school rhymes:









Tell me "Real" Hip Hop historian, where are the deep life affirming ground-breaking messages in these classic Hip Hop records? My guess is you are too young to remember when these records actually came out or you were listening to Billy Joel or Pearl Jam back then. I've been listening to Hip Hop since I was a little kid. They use to play Tribe Called Quest, Wu-Tang and Dr. Dre on the mainstream radio and on MTV everyday all day. I used to record all of these songs off of the radio. These songs are like nursery rhymes to someone who has been listening to Hip Hop their whole life. That is the reason why we keep up with new Hip Hop as well.
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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Default Kiril Dzajkovski - Jungle Shadow- Live at Exit 08

Rap?! Rap belongs to the world now and whoever loves it... Public Enemy caused controversy in Japan at one time, Japan! It's also about just being alive for another day

To Rejoice in being alive!

Kiril Dzajkovski - Jungle Shadow- Live at Exit 08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtFzbJe9os

BTW Axel... Kenny Wayne Shepherd is a favo of mine! From the Soul that one plays... from the Soul.
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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Rap?! Rap belongs to the world now and whoever loves it... Public Enemy caused controversy in Japan at one time, Japan! Its also about just being alive for another day

To Rejoice in being alive!

Kiril Dzajkovski - Jungle Shadow- Live at Exit 08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtFzbJe9os

BTW Axel... Kenny Wayne Shepherd is a favo of mine! From the Soul that one plays... from the Soul.
It's all over when he picks that Strat up like a violin to get just the right feedback effect and vibrato out of it. That Strat gets thrown over his shoulders behind his head and soloed with his eyes closed as well! I wonder who else used to do that? JMH and SRV! Amen brother!!!!
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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What's wrong with showcasing females on television? The female body is a spectacularly beautiful thing. That is what is wrong with most Americans: we are too puritanical, uptight and repressed. You would literally sh*t yourself if you went anywhere in Latin America or Europe and experienced how open those people are to their sexuality. And they aren't ashamed of it like Americans. Sex sells in America because most people are hopelessly deprived of something that is free and shameless in most other societies.
I am not American. I am Australian, so your generalisations of me ****ting myself if I went anywhere in Latin America are way off base. We're not so uptight down here.

There is nothing wrong with showcasing females on television.

What I have an issue with is women half naked, gyrating around and humiliating themselves.

If you think the sexuality and beauty of women is demonstrated through porn, you are sorely mistaken .

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As a young male, I like looking at exotic beautiful scantily clad women because those of us living outside of South Florida don't see that on a daily basis. I can't believe people are actually up in arms about showing women in rap videos. What? Do you want them to cover themselves up from head to toe like they do in the Middle East? It's not like there is hardcore S&M f*cking in rap videos for God's sake! Anyway, anybody who has an internet connection or is over 18 with an ID can see that type of thing.
yeah the alternative to woman being half naked, kissing other women is covering them up like in some other countries.


Okay thats fine if you want to see it.

If I had a daughter, I would not want her to see these images (and this includes artists like Kesha). If you think these are positive images, good for you.

You can still be sexual, sensual without being a ****
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I think this whole "Hip Hop is dead" movement is similar to the "Disco Sucks" movement of the early 80's. Once corporate White people take over a Black genre of music and water it down for uptight Suburban folks they don't like it any more. Not coincidentally, Black folks didn't give a sh*t back then and still listened, partied and danced to Disco music even though White people hated it. To this day, older Black folks consider those 80's Disco records to be Soul music classics. This is the reason why Hip Hop will never die. It's original core audience will continue to support new Hip Hop no matter what music nerds, suburban natives and square White people have to say about it. There is a lot of good new accessible Hip Hop music out there. You just have to get past your "Commercial Rap all sucks" fan boy mentality to give it a chance:







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Old 11-07-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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This is the most ill-informed thing I've read on this thread. All of your so-called "Real" Hip Hop acts used to be played on the mainstream radio and MTV and BET 20 or more years ago. Not all Old School Hip Hop had deep contemplative messages either. Some of it was just having fun and elementary as nursery school rhymes:









Tell me "Real" Hip Hop historian, where are the deep life affirming ground-breaking messages in these classic Hip Hop records? My guess is you are too young to remember when these records actually came out or you were listening to Billy Joel or Pearl Jam back then. I've been listening to Hip Hop since I was a little kid. They use to play Tribe Called Quest, Wu-Tang and Dr. Dre on the mainstream radio and on MTV everyday all day. I used to record all of these songs off of the radio. These songs are like nursery rhymes to someone who has been listening to Hip Hop their whole life. That is the reason why we keep up with new Hip Hop as well.
seriously dude. Lighten up.

I think you're quoting me here, but it doesn't help that you cut out the actual name of the person you're quoting

I don't have to justify the music I like to you or anyone else.

However if it makes you feel better, I have in the past listened to NWA, PUblic Enemy, Tupac, De La Soul - was a massive fan of Run DMC amongst others.

Yeah, I also listen to Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Rage Against the Machine.

Guess what!? I listen to what I want, when I want. I don't follow other people and I don't stick to one genre.

If you want to keep railing on me because of... what.. I don't even know, you're going to be ignored.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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I mean all they do on the videos is show fancy cars, jewelry, half-naked Women along with bikinis on, flashing money around, showin' big houses and being at Clubs(such as night clubs).

Why not make a video that has substance and story rather than the same thing over and over especially when that song has storytelling.

And speaking of song that has storytelling, back in 2000 I heard this song called "Stranger In My House" by Tamia, which was(is) a good song and I mean very good song which made me by Tamia's album "A Nu Day".

Then when I saw the Music Video for the songs Stranger In My House all the video showed was Tamia showing off her body. I'm like come on Tamia make the video that is part of the song.
Perfect example of this: Rihanna's "Umbrella" video. It was a GREAT song, yet the video for it almost wholly consisted of her showing off her body and spilling water on herself.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:15 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Perfect example of this: Rihanna's "Umbrella" video. It was a GREAT song, yet the video for it almost wholly consisted of her showing off her body and spilling water on herself.
Yes!

That is part of the topic of what I am talking about.

Music Videos that doesn't have anything to do with the song, not just Rap Videos but also R&B Videos as well.

Just l've said about Tamia's Music Video for the song "Stranger In My House" that just didn't have anything to do with the song. All the video was about her showing her body and thats it.

And whoever say's "Sex Sells" should learn that Drugs sells too and that's dangerous also.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: The Bay and Maryland
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I'm sick of defending mainstream rap. Most of it DOES suck for the most part, I can't defend it anymore. The truth is that there is a lot of good new Hip Hop music out there, it's just under the radar. Hip Hop is not dead, it's just not on TV or the radio. Case in point, the Bay Area where I'm from has been the independent rap capital of the U.S. since the late 80's. They have been selling music out of the back of their trunks for years. Our music has never been watered down or corporate coached because the vast majority of Bay Area artists aren't signed to major record labels. A lot of rappers from the Bay who have been putting out classic music for years aren't getting their dues. Everything from alternative hip hop to political rap to block hugging hood music. These videos and songs aren't the typical "I got money" "you broke I'm rich she got big ass and t*ts" mainstream rap records that you see on MTV all day. Here are some examples of great upcoming and legendary Bay Area rappers past and present that many people from other parts of the country and the world may have not heard before.


















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Old 11-09-2010, 12:02 AM
 
Location: America
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I mean all they do on the videos is show fancy cars, jewelry, half-naked Women along with bikinis on, flashing money around, showin' big houses and being at Clubs(such as night clubs).

Why not make a video that has substance and story rather than the same thing over and over especially when that song has storytelling.

And speaking of song that has storytelling, back in 2000 I heard this song called "Stranger In My House" by Tamia, which was(is) a good song and I mean very good song which made me by Tamia's album "A Nu Day".

Then when I saw the Music Video for the songs Stranger In My House all the video showed was Tamia showing off her body. I'm like come on Tamia make the video that is part of the song.
it was a sexy video for a sexy song. it's not that serious

and there are plenty of artistic music videos with substance out there
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:21 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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it was a sexy video for a sexy song. it's not that serious

and there are plenty of artistic music videos with substance out there

Sorry for my late post, but actually if you listen closely to the song the song talked about a ladie's husband(or boyfriend) that becomes a different person the wrong way and it becomes a suprise to her since she haven't seen him like that.
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