Southwest Coast Not looking like Good investment for retirement (Miami: transplants, attorney)

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

You've never substantiated this claim. .

...all you have to do is put......1878 Florida red tide....into google search

http://crca.caloosahatchee.org/crca_...e_Timeline.pdf

[hardluk1]

Swanlinbar Red tide and green algae blooms have been a problem for as long as I remember down there going back 50 years .. But it is getting worse thanks to each of use that live or lived at least south . Better read up on the algae blooms along the east coast waters too before moving there .

The green algae bloom is caused by nitrates from cattle along with man made pollutant's and run offs in general washed south thanks to the kissimmee river basin , add rain to limit the oxygen in the water and fish die to add to the mix of odors in general along with summer heat and the Big O turns into a large green algae bloom and then gets flushed south threw the everglades more or less ! and both east and west in canals that exit into salt water for its own version of green red tide algae bloom . Add in the run off from homes pretty green lawns , roads and golf course in each coastal county and you have a problems with little chance of any short term improvements . Red tide all on its own is a naturally found all over the world even well out in an ocean with many variations to the side effects and causes but high temps and water salinity well cause it but the polluted water run from your lawns and golf course to road ways and neighborhood street after normal showers during hot summer can cause red tide all on its own .

Not sure South Fl is a good investment to retirement to under good conditions any more . But if florida is your only choice you might want to look at north east corner like Nassau County or in to the pan handle areas of from Panama City to St Marks area - Gulf , Franklin , Wakulla counties . I retired to western NC mountains . Ha

I miss certain aspects of live in collier county from the past but not enough to matter today .

https://www.news4jax.com/weather/env...s-along-coasts

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...e88302462.html

[markjames68]

Anyone thinking a retirement property is a "good investment" is in trouble these days.

With all the building going on in Naples it's actually cheaper and easier to buy new. Resales are taking a huge hit in many developments. The only exception might be in a desirable golf course - as long as fees and memberships are still doing well.

[ron e wheels]

Any property used for retirement is almost always a poor investment. I've seen too many friends that considered their retirement property a good investment to give to their off springs. They're normal not prepared too take over the property financially and gambling on a retirement property, more then the current market factors in specially when in falls into someone else's hands.

With less people interested in golf, and we are currently through half the baby boomers retiring, in ten years it's hard to forecast where the market would be. Personally. I don't see it being that great.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by ron e wheels

Any property used for retirement is almost always a poor investment. I've seen too many friends that considered their retirement property a good investment to give to their off springs. They're normal not prepared too take over the property financially and gambling on a retirement property, more then the current market factors in specially when in falls into someone else's hands.

With less people interested in golf, and we are currently through half the baby boomers retiring, in ten years it's hard to forecast where the market would be. Personally. I don't see it being that great.

I just sold and it was a somewhat lengthy and painful process. One piece of advice to pass on to everyone - in Naples staging a home is pretty much a requirement. It’s expensive, but buyers don’t seem to have any imagination and need to be spoon fed.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

...all you have to do is put......1878 Florida red tide....into google search

http://crca.caloosahatchee.org/crca_...e_Timeline.pdf

See post 142 in this thread as to the worthlessness of this link.

//www.city-data.com/forum/flori...trophe-15.html

The subsequent posts in the above thread are a very worthwhile read as to the causes of the red tide and the prospects for future red tide blooms.

[Corrie22]

NOAA agrees with me, not you....and not with the magazine articles you're also posting

http://sunburn.aoml.noaa.gov/general...es/cedar42.pdf

There were much worse red tides, that lasted much longer, over 100 years ago..and red tides have been consistent ever since....when people and global warming could not have had anything to do with it...documentation of red tides goes back to the first Spanish explorers and before them to the native indians

WR, you following me around trying desperately to make your point...I won't be replying to any more of your posts....I'm done with it

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

NOAA agrees with me, not you....and not with the magazine articles you're also posting

http://sunburn.aoml.noaa.gov/general...es/cedar42.pdf

There were much worse red tides, that lasted much longer, over 100 years ago..and red tides have been consistent ever since....when people and global warming could not have had anything to do with it...documentation of red tides goes back to the first Spanish explorers and before them to the native indians

WR, you following me around trying desperately to make your point...I won't be replying to any more of your posts....I'm done with it

From the 1955 article in the above link:

<<It must be mentioned, however, that since the individuals who have observed the Red Tide from 1844 to the present time, have not, for the most part, been trained scientists, or individuals who live sufficiently close to the sea to know all its aspects, it is probable that some of the occurrences noted in this report were not necessarily Red Tide. For example, shrimp boats are known to finish sorting the shrimp from the fish in their catch on their way to home port and to dump the trash fish overboard. Thus it may be that some of the "dead fish" reports along the west coast are not distinguishable from mortalities due to Red Tide. Also, some of the occurrences may have been reported by individuals who did not personally see the phenomenon. One must be careful, therefore, to weigh gingerly the implications of the various reports.>>

http://sunburn.aoml.noaa.gov/general...es/cedar42.pdf

And the 19th century historical record on pages 8 forward does NOT include scientific studies and, with large gaps in the timeline and no documentation as to the extent of the red tide on any given date, there is NO way to gauge the continuity of the plague or its extent, or to compare 19th century ANECDOTAL reports with contemporary red tide analyses empirically documented by scientists with modern technology.

And you want to give preference to that anecdotal record over modern scientific research? Ridiculous. There's absolutely nothing in the material you linked that justifies your conclusion that the red tides in the 19th century were worse or longer than modern, scientifically studied red tides. NOTHING!

Your desperation to deny any link to climate change remains pathetic, especially when you claim it supersedes contemporary scientific research as reported in contemporary articles.

[bbtondo]

Originally Posted by markjames68

I just sold and it was a somewhat lengthy and painful process. One piece of advice to pass on to everyone - in Naples staging a home is pretty much a requirement. It’s expensive, but buyers don’t seem to have any imagination and need to be spoon fed.

Are you leaving Naples? I am also a former Long Islander and was wondering if you were going back.

[logybogy]

You know if you want to spend mid six figures to 7 or 8 figures on an oceanfront condo or home, why buy in an area probe to red tide when you have the entire east coast of florida to pick from?

I can definitely see people questioning whether to spend that kind of money on naples when vero beach or jupiter inlet or palm beach is competing with them.