Are blacks leaving East Nashville? (homes, building, historical)

[bigcitymike]

Originally Posted by RogueMom

Who says they were the original residents?

Interesting angle RogueMom. Never looked at it that way before.

[BayAreaDave]

Interactive map: 30 years of census data - The Washington Post

For the most part, yes. Although everything from granada to cahal West of Gallatin road gained black people and lost white people. The Western side of Cleveland/Mcferrin park gained black population, as did the projects and some parts of Shelby hills. Ironically all of these areas have gone through significant revitalization. I guess that means that a lot of poor whites have been pushed out and replaced by middle class blacks. So, instead of saying black people are getting pushed out it would be more correct to say poor people in general are being pushed out. (although the majority of neighboroods lost more blacks than whites)

Everything from Douglas to the freeway loop either gained blacks or lost more whites than black in effect getting "blacker". If I said that the blacks are simply beings pushed further "East" (geographically North) I would probably be correct. In 2000, the area between Douglas and Trinity lane was white (red), now its black (blue).

[Antioch]

Originally Posted by BayAreaDave

Interactive map: 30 years of census data - The Washington Post

For the most part, yes. Although everything from granada to cahal West of Gallatin road gained black people and lost white people. The Western side of Cleveland/Mcferrin park gained black population, as did the projects and some parts of Shelby hills. Ironically all of these areas have gone through significant revitalization. I guess that means that a lot of poor whites have been pushed out and replaced by middle class blacks. So, instead of saying black people are getting pushed out it would be more correct to say poor people in general are being pushed out. (although the majority of neighboroods lost more blacks than whites)

Everything from Douglas to the freeway loop either gained blacks or lost more whites than black in effect getting "blacker". If I said that the blacks are simply beings pushed further "East" (geographically North) I would probably be correct. In 2000, the area between Douglas and Trinity lane was white (red), now its black (blue).

I really don't know how accurate those maps are, or what they really are based on. I was looking at some areas in Davidson County that are questionable. I do know that the areas between Douglas and Trinity has be a black area for several decades. Maplewood High school is the school zone for that area and it has been a majority black school since the 70's.

[BayAreaDave]

Originally Posted by Antioch

I really don't know how accurate those maps are, or what they really are based on. I was looking at some areas in Davidson County that are questionable. I do know that the areas between Douglas and Trinity has be a black area for several decades. Maplewood High school is the school zone for that area and it has been a majority black school since the 70's.

Well its based off the census, so its the most accurate information we have. I read somewhere that our public school system is something like 60% black, it obviously doesn't reflect Davidson County. It showed the sharp increase of the white population in the North and East sides of town and the increase in black population in Antioch and Madison. I haven't lived here long enough to know first hand but its consistent with what I have been told. What exactly looks questionable to you?

[Antioch]

Originally Posted by BayAreaDave

Well its based off the census, so its the most accurate information we have. I read somewhere that our public school system is something like 60% black, it obviously doesn't reflect Davidson County. It showed the sharp increase of the white population in the North and East sides of town and the increase in black population in Antioch and Madison. I haven't lived here long enough to know first hand but its consistent with what I have been told. What exactly looks questionable to you?

I guess its just the way its divided by districts is what makes it seem off, and how the percentages are based on population in a given area, meaning an area could have 4 people living in it with 3 being black and 1 white and it it would say that the area is 75% black, which would make you think that is a black area, boarding an area that has more people with a few more whites, using the percentages would make it seem like a white area... Example, district 33 in the Antioch area which is north of Murfeesboro Rd, east of Bell all the way up to the Mt. Juliet/Wilson County line north of the lake is shaded in blue with a higher percentage of blacks, which by looking at the map, one would think it is a black area, when in fact it is not. Lots of blacks in the area, may be a few more, but it would not be consider a black area, especially the area near Mt. Juliet north of the lake. The Davidson county districts boarding 33 are showing a higher percentage of whites, which it could be, however, the entire Antioch area seems about even. Another example would be the districts that are in Northern Davidson couty that includes Goodletsville, Joelton, and Whites Creek... They are shaded blue with a higher percent of blacks... the areas closer in to to town, particuarly Bordeux, Parkwood, areas just south of Whites Creek are black areas, however, areas north of Briley up to Joelton and Goodletsville are not, except for pockets close to Rivergate Mall.
As far as the schools, the school zones in the Northern/Northeastern part of Davidson County such as Whites Creek, Hunters Lane, Maplewood and Stratford have a higher black percentage, always have, except for Hunters Lane until recently due to bussing, so does Antioch and Cane Ridge clusters, and even the Hillboro Cluster in Green Hills actually has a slightly higher black percentage due to busing form nearby south Nashville. The white population is boosted in Metro Schools because the Kurdish, Arabic, and all Middle Eastern ethnicities are considered White as their race, tho they can be just as dark as an African American... Therefore schools such as Glencliff, Overton, Antioch and Cane Ridge that have a higher number of Kurds and Middle Easterns may apper on paper to have a lot more actual White students, but in reality the numbers of actual whites are much lower when you take out the Kurdish/Middle Eastern population.

[BayAreaDave]

Originally Posted by Antioch

I guess its just the way its divided by districts is what makes it seem off, and how the percentages are based on population in a given area, meaning an area could have 4 people living in it with 3 being black and 1 white and it it would say that the area is 75% black, which would make you think that is a black area, boarding an area that has more people with a few more whites, using the percentages would make it seem like a white area... Example, district 33 in the Antioch area which is north of Murfeesboro Rd, east of Bell all the way up to the Mt. Juliet/Wilson County line north of the lake is shaded in blue with a higher percentage of blacks, which by looking at the map, one would think it is a black area, when in fact it is not. Lots of blacks in the area, may be a few more, but it would not be consider a black area, especially the area near Mt. Juliet north of the lake. The Davidson county districts boarding 33 are showing a higher percentage of whites, which it could be, however, the entire Antioch area seems about even. Another example would be the districts that are in Northern Davidson couty that includes Goodletsville, Joelton, and Whites Creek... They are shaded blue with a higher percent of blacks... the areas closer in to to town, particuarly Bordeux, Parkwood, areas just south of Whites Creek are black areas, however, areas north of Briley up to Joelton and Goodletsville are not, except for pockets close to Rivergate Mall.
As far as the schools, the school zones in the Northern/Northeastern part of Davidson County such as Whites Creek, Hunters Lane, Maplewood and Stratford have a higher black percentage, always have, except for Hunters Lane until recently due to bussing, so does Antioch and Cane Ridge clusters, and even the Hillboro Cluster in Green Hills actually has a slightly higher black percentage due to busing form nearby south Nashville. The white population is boosted in Metro Schools because the Kurdish, Arabic, and all Middle Eastern ethnicities are considered White as their race, tho they can be just as dark as an African American... Therefore schools such as Glencliff, Overton, Antioch and Cane Ridge that have a higher number of Kurds and Middle Easterns may apper on paper to have a lot more actual White students, but in reality the numbers of actual whites are much lower when you take out the Kurdish/Middle Eastern population.

Interesting I didn't know we had such a significant middle eastern population. And if you zoom in far enough you get a way more detailed view of the map, and everything illustrates what you said accurately. You know your stuff lol...

[UNITYinternational]

Originally Posted by BayAreaDave

Interesting I didn't know we had such a significant middle eastern population. And if you zoom in far enough you get a way more detailed view of the map, and everything illustrates what you said accurately. You know your stuff lol...

A very significant Middle Eastern and North African (Egyptian) population. Not to mention that often times ever increasing refugee population is miscounted or goes unaccounted for depending on the angle of the politics of the day.

Diversity is beautiful and increasingly abundant in Davidson County.
If this is problematic then consider crowded and fast growing Rutherford or over priced Williamson.

[BirdieBelle]

Originally Posted by BayAreaDave

Interesting I didn't know we had such a significant middle eastern population.

Nashville has the largest Kurdish population in the US, and the foreign-born population over all tripled from 1990 to 2000.

What college to you go to?

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by artemis

Germantown got it's name from the immigrants who started living there back in the 1850's.

White people didn't move to Germantown when the blacks moved in, they moved to the suburbs.

Not sure if East Nashville should be called "historically" black. It was inhabited by white people for the first 100 yrs or so, before that the land belonged to the Indians. They were the ones who were truly displaced.

The term "historically Black", well this is how I look at it. Historically, Blacks have been considered "unwanted", and therefore, many places Blacks lived, they lived there because they weren't really welcomed elsewhere.

[artemis]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

The term "historically Black", well this is how I look at it. Historically, Blacks have been considered "unwanted", and therefore, many places Blacks lived, they lived there because they weren't really welcomed elsewhere.

I was referring to the historical aspects of the neighborhood. Black, white or otherwise.