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Old 02-29-2020, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Putnam County, TN
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Nashville has always had traffic problems for a city of its size.
Yes. Even people from places like Atlanta and Chicago have a hard time denying that I-24 from Nashville to Murfreesboro is one of the worst roads in the country. I hope they get the passenger rail there built soon, honestly, and make it a double-track so trains can come/go from/to both major cities more frequently.
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:37 PM
 
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Yes. Even people from places like Atlanta and Chicago have a hard time denying that I-24 from Nashville to Murfreesboro is one of the worst roads in the country. I hope they get the passenger rail there built soon, honestly, and make it a double-track so trains can come/go from/to both major cities more frequently.
I think the only proposed passenger rail on the books right now is (was) from the airport to downtown and even that one I haven't heard any more about in a long time. With the loss of tourism/sports $$ from the pandemic, how knows what condition metro will be in financially.

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Old 03-13-2020, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Bellevue
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I think the only proposed passenger rail on the books right now is (was) from the airport to downtown and even that one I haven't heard any more about in a long time. With the loss of tourism/sports $$ from the pandemic, how knows what condition metro will be in financially.

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Amtrak proposed a study of Nashville to Chattanooga to Atlanta. Trip would take about 6 hours.

WeGo Rail also has a study to rebuild & restore service to Clarksville.

TVA & TDOT will have a stretch of I-40 closed tomorrow to rebuild power lines out to near Lebanon. Westbound detours are on I-840 to I-24 I-65.
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Old 03-14-2020, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Putnam County, TN
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Amtrak proposed a study of Nashville to Chattanooga to Atlanta. Trip would take about 6 hours.
Nice! I hope they do that! It's needed terribly.

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WeGo Rail also has a study to rebuild & restore service to Clarksville.
I've heard about that too. I hope they do it!
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Old 03-15-2020, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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when will the rail system be built?
Like, never. This is Tennessee.

Voters will shoot down rail as quickly as they shot down moving ahead on a public transit plan. Because, anything other than automobiles is "socialism," you see.

A couple of weeks ago, I served on a committee at BNA welcoming travellers arriving in Nashville for a conference. They were from all over the US and Canada, including, obviously, from cities with great public transit systems.

The first question they asked was where they could get public transit that would take them to their hotel downtown. When we told them their only viable option was ride share, many either stared at us blankly or laughed.
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Old 03-16-2020, 02:24 PM
 
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Like, never. This is Tennessee.


The first question they asked was where they could get public transit that would take them to their hotel downtown. When we told them their only viable option was ride share, many either stared at us blankly or laughed.
This is a real issue. As Nashville continues to rise, it will begin to become more of an issue when businesses decide on whether or not to come to the city. The city has been very fortunate to have a state government that is willing to grow and be pro-business. When voters turn down LRT and support other non progressive initiatives, it draws a picture that is not very good for its image. Looking at other cities like Atlanta and St. Louis (though larger Nashville needs to look forward if they want the MSA to hit 3 million by 2040) that have rapid transit from the airport to main tourist and financial district it seems so much easier to swoop in town for a concert, game or meeting. In my opinion, rapid transit is part of what makes a city a city.
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Old 03-16-2020, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Putnam County, TN
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This is a real issue. As Nashville continues to rise, it will begin to become more of an issue when businesses decide on whether or not to come to the city. The city has been very fortunate to have a state government that is willing to grow and be pro-business. When voters turn down LRT and support other non progressive initiatives, it draws a picture that is not very good for its image. Looking at other cities like Atlanta and St. Louis (though larger Nashville needs to look forward if they want the MSA to hit 3 million by 2040) that have rapid transit from the airport to main tourist and financial district it seems so much easier to swoop in town for a concert, game or meeting. In my opinion, rapid transit is part of what makes a city a city.
I disagree on it being what makes a city a city, a major city a major city or even a colossal city a colossal city. But it's definitely enough to make the difference between a good city and a bad one, and I do agree that Nashville/Murfreesboro needs to wake up and stop turning down transit proposals.

Just buses and really good freeway systems aren't enough for multi-million metro areas. They need more passenger rails like the ones to Clarksville, as well as between Nashville/Murfreesboro to Chattanooga and Atlanta. They also need to add streetcars connecting downtown Nashville, the airport, Antioch, La Vergne, Smyrna, Old Fort and downtown Murfreesboro.

We definitely need more mixed use and high-density development, too. Hopefully the mixed-use project proposed for downtown Murfreesboro goes through without being scaled down. And hopefully they build more high-rises and create smaller zones in Murfreesboro and further out in Davidson County, too.

Mass transit, high density development and mixed use development, in combination, are ultimately the key to reducing traffic nightmares and unnecessary carbon emissions.
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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This is a real issue. As Nashville continues to rise, it will begin to become more of an issue when businesses decide on whether or not to come to the city. The city has been very fortunate to have a state government that is willing to grow and be pro-business. When voters turn down LRT and support other non progressive initiatives, it draws a picture that is not very good for its image. Looking at other cities like Atlanta and St. Louis (though larger Nashville needs to look forward if they want the MSA to hit 3 million by 2040) that have rapid transit from the airport to main tourist and financial district it seems so much easier to swoop in town for a concert, game or meeting. In my opinion, rapid transit is part of what makes a city a city.
Absolutely. Or, rapid transit is at least what helps make a great city a great city. A city simply cannot be great, let alone "world class," without it.
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Old 03-24-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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I think the developers along time ago thought the northeast part of Davidson county and counties to the north and northeast would have grown much faster than the southern/southeastern part of Davidson county and counties to the south, southeast, and east because at least on the north side you have Ellington Pkw, which turns to Brairville rd that still moves pretty swiftly, along with Gallatin Rd. and Dickerson Rd., which are only about 2-3 miles apart, and further north you have Vietnam Veterans that takes you all the way in to Gallatin, not to mention I-65 I’d widen to 5 lanes and you have a complete loop on the north side of Briley and a complete loop on the north side of Old Hickory....Is there any part of the south or southeastern side that can compare other than 440? Murfreesboro and Nolensville are further apart than Gallatin and Dickerson. I-24 serves the highest populated suburb in Davidson county and one of the fastest growing cities/counties in the state and it’s only 4 lanes. No Vietnam Veterans type set up either.
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Old 03-24-2020, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Putnam County, TN
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I think the developers along time ago thought the northeast part of Davidson county and counties to the north and northeast would have grown much faster than the southern/southeastern part of Davidson county and counties to the south, southeast, and east because at least on the north side you have Ellington Pkw, which turns to Brairville rd that still moves pretty swiftly, along with Gallatin Rd. and Dickerson Rd., which are only about 2-3 miles apart, and further north you have Vietnam Veterans that takes you all the way in to Gallatin, not to mention I-65 I’d widen to 5 lanes and you have a complete loop on the north side of Briley and a complete loop on the north side of Old Hickory....Is there any part of the south or southeastern side that can compare other than 440? Murfreesboro and Nolensville are further apart than Gallatin and Dickerson. I-24 serves the highest populated suburb in Davidson county and one of the fastest growing cities/counties in the state and it’s only 4 lanes. No Vietnam Veterans type set up either.
Yes. Nolensville is in a freeway desert, which will be very nasty in the future. Same for places like Gladeville, Rural Hill, Green Hill and even Leipers Fork. It's too late to start adding freeways everywhere that need them, but here are some things we can do instead:
--Add 60 mph four-lane roads connecting to those areas in freeway deserts, either undivided or with a concrete median barrier, with right in/right out intersections with smaller roads and interchanges or multiple turning lanes at more important junctions. Forbid these from development, adding frontage roads where necessary to avoid landlocking property. Make these 45/50 mph with roundabouts and turning lanes in already-developed areas.
--Build the above type of road to serve where I-840 North would've served and isn't being served by 109. Add a spur or two of it into southeastern Clarksville, with trumpet, Y, T or half-cloverleaf interchanges where they meet the main one.
--Add passenger rail systems connecting to Murfreesboro, Clarksville via Ashland City, Columbia via Franklin and Spring Hill, Gallatin via Hendersonville, Dickson and Springfield.
--Add a streetcar system connecting downtown Nashville, Nashville International Airport, Antioch, La Vergne, Smyrna, Old Fort and downtown Murfreesboro.
--Raise the maximum interstate speed limits in Tennessee to 75. Apply this to all of I-840 except the few miles through Murfreesboro, but still keep that at least 65; more people are likely to use bypasses if they're faster.
--Raise the maximum speed limits of large-shouldered two-lane roads to 60 mph in Tennessee. Apply this to S.R. 96 from Murfreesboro to Liberty, among others, so traffic coming into areas outside of Davidson County is more likely to use more direct arterials than crowd suburban interstates.
--Before it's too late, make S.R. 12 to Ashland City a freeway and build a freeway connecting Kingston Springs and eastern Dickson. Build a freeway from south of Forest Hills to Leipers Fork, with the portion following U.S. 431 upgraded to one of those special parkways mentioned in the first of "things we can do instead."
--Build bridges connecting Cookeville to Smithville and Mount Juliet/Green Hill to Hendersonville more directly. The former would result in S.R. 96 becoming the fastest route from Cookeville to Murfreesboro, even with the current 55 mph speed limits, thus sparing Lebanon from unnecessary interstate traffic.
--On S.R. 109, build the planned Portland bypass. Also, make the speed limit from Portland to Gallatin 60 or 65 mph; 55 mph is just ridiculous for such a wide, mostly-undeveloped road.
--Go through with the plans to widen S.R. 96 from Franklin to Murfreesboro to four lanes. Also, instead of letting the still-mostly-undeveloped parts overdevelop, they should add frontage roads for that.
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