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Old 12-07-2013, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Vegas
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German scientists contend that two natural cycles will combine to lower global temperatures throughout the 21st Century. The scientists show that there is an approximate 200-year solar cycle, supported by historical temperature data and proxy data from stalagmites in caves. The 200-year solar cycle has just passed its maximum and will decline during the 21st Century. It is at least in part responsible for the warming of the last decades of the 20thCentury. The AMO/PDO cycle is also beginning its cool phase and will reach a minimum in 2035. The scientists conclude that “the global temperature will drop until 2100 to a value corresponding to the “little ice age” of 1870.”—Jonathan DuHamel, Tuscon Citizen, 4 December 2013
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With temperatures well below freezing here in Vegas and a massive storm with freezing temperatures moving across Europe, this is certainly not hard to believe.
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Old 12-07-2013, 07:24 PM
 
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Read full piece @ German Scientists Predict Global Cooling This Century

With temperatures well below freezing here in Vegas and a massive storm with freezing temperatures moving across Europe, this is certainly not hard to believe.
While I salute you for posting this piece of research which goes against the popular scientific grain of the present moment, I must take issue with your use of the current cold snap as a proof of anything at all. There are always record-setting or near record-setting temperatures somewhere, on both the cold and hot sides. It is a total absurdity to say, "Oh, look we're having this geographically extended cold weather, so the planet must be cooling!" Just like it's a total absurdity to cite some record warm temperatures in any given year as a proof of global warming. We have to take a much longer view. And in that longer view, the planet has been warming for some time.

Now perhaps, as this group of German scientists argues, the coming reversal of a solar cycle will counteract much of that warming trend. But you don't do your credibility any favor by talking about some current storm.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:44 PM
 
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There are always record-setting or near record-setting temperatures somewhere, on both the cold and hot sides. It is a total absurdity to say, "Oh, look we're having this geographically extended cold weather, so the planet must be cooling!" Just like it's a total absurdity to cite some record warm temperatures in any given year as a proof of global warming. We have to take a much longer view. And in that longer view, the planet has been warming for some time.

Now perhaps, as this group of German scientists argues, the coming reversal of a solar cycle will counteract much of that warming trend. But you don't do your credibility any favor by talking about some current storm.
This.
It's worth reminding that the popular label "global warming" is a misnomer. "Accelerated climate change" is a more apt description.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:18 PM
 
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Those wacky Germans. Didn't they get the message its globally warming and not cooling.

BTW, does anyone know where I can get some longjohns in Texas.
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Old 12-08-2013, 02:52 AM
 
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Cool
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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I sure hope so!
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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Great, we can start using aerosols again.

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Old 12-08-2013, 10:03 AM
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Well, if German scientists predict global cooling, I would believe it more than if others predicted it.

Anyone who is taught to do math with fountain pens, allowing no corrections such as the Germans used to be, is probably more accurate the first time around.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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While I salute you for posting this piece of research which goes against the popular scientific grain of the present moment, I must take issue with your use of the current cold snap as a proof of anything at all. There are always record-setting or near record-setting temperatures somewhere, on both the cold and hot sides. It is a total absurdity to say, "Oh, look we're having this geographically extended cold weather, so the planet must be cooling!" Just like it's a total absurdity to cite some record warm temperatures in any given year as a proof of global warming. We have to take a much longer view. And in that longer view, the planet has been warming for some time.

Now perhaps, as this group of German scientists argues, the coming reversal of a solar cycle will counteract much of that warming trend. But you don't do your credibility any favor by talking about some current storm.
It seems that whenever one checks the weather anywhere in the world right now it somehow is other than "normal". Is it due to solar cycles? Or Humankind's affects? Or simply a matter of cyclical changes?

I think that biggest problem is that we don't yet fully understand the complexities that make up our planet's weather system.

What's that old saying - If you don't like the weather, wait a bit and it will change.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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