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Old 12-30-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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...many folks who had traditionally hated wolves had finally started to see some value in them.
I can't say I agree with that. I have only noticed that the hunting seasons have increased animosity, not the other way around. I have also noticed it is not really the wolves they are mad at. It is anyone who supports them. Businesses, photographers, advocacy groups, locals, non-locals, government personnel. It is a power struggle, nothing more than that.

But I do agree that this decision will just cause more problems for the wolves themselves.
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Old 12-30-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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Once those who live in heavily settled rural areas close to northeastern cities deal with the realities of wolf kills, policies may change rapidly. Nature isn't a Disney film.
I absolutely loathe the Disney argument, even if it does apply to some people. If I could obliterate Disney to put a stop to it, I would. Pass me the WMDs.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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You do now people buy licenses from the state to kill bear......right???

The state does this to manage wild life.

Dog management is another subject........and our dogs are not strays.
Sure, I know that. But what I'm saying is that if someone uses dogs to chase and kill wild animals (even if it is legal), I don't have any sympathy for them if wild animals chase and kill their dogs. Sorry for the dogs, of course, but the people? No sympathy.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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Sure, I know that. But what I'm saying is that if someone uses dogs to chase and kill wild animals (even if it is legal), I don't have any sympathy for them if wild animals chase and kill their dogs. Sorry for the dogs, of course, but the people? No sympathy.
Using dogs to hunt has been part of life since BEFORE guns.

And to a houndsman the sound of their dogs barking on task is music.
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:48 PM
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They're not endangered in Alaska. The European wolves have been extirpated from several countries. How many wolves are in the UK? For example.
I seriously doubt there are any wolves inthe UK at this point, outside of zoos or similar. One thing Europe hasn't yet experienced is a push to reintroduce wolves.
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Old 12-31-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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I can't say I agree with that. I have only noticed that the hunting seasons have increased animosity, not the other way around. I have also noticed it is not really the wolves they are mad at. It is anyone who supports them. Businesses, photographers, advocacy groups, locals, non-locals, government personnel. It is a power struggle, nothing more than that.

But I do agree that this decision will just cause more problems for the wolves themselves.
The anti-wolf crowd has been mad all along, way before a wolf hunt was even on the horizon. They were mad when wolves were competing with them for deer and moose. They were mad when wolf numbers doubled what science said was sustainable, yet still hadn't been de-listed.

If anything, the hunting seasons and the thought of being able to actually own a wolf pelt for the first time in 30 years took the talk of "shoot-shovel-shutup" down several notches. At least it did with the people I deal with.
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Old 12-31-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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The anti-wolf crowd has been mad all along, way before a wolf hunt was even on the horizon. They were mad when wolves were competing with them for deer and moose. They were mad when wolf numbers doubled what science said was sustainable, yet still hadn't been de-listed.

If anything, the hunting seasons and the thought of being able to actually own a wolf pelt for the first time in 30 years took the talk of "shoot-shovel-shutup" down several notches. At least it did with the people I deal with.
Well, you and I apparently aren't dealing with the same people.
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Old 01-01-2015, 12:29 AM
 
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Using dogs to hunt has been part of life since BEFORE guns.

And to a houndsman the sound of their dogs barking on task is music.
Sure, I understand. I live in Kentucky now, so believe me, I hear that "music" playing somewhere nearby almost every time I go hiking. Hunting dogs are a big part of the culture down here.

I want to make it clear that I'm not passing judgment here; I'm not taking a position on whether it's right or wrong to use dogs to hunt. I'm just saying that if people use domesticated dogs to hunt wild animals, they don't have much basis to complain about wild animals killing the occasional dog. I just think of that as the universe's way of evening things out a little.
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:50 AM
 
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Sure, I understand. I live in Kentucky now, so believe me, I hear that "music" playing somewhere nearby almost every time I go hiking. Hunting dogs are a big part of the culture down here.

I want to make it clear that I'm not passing judgment here; I'm not taking a position on whether it's right or wrong to use dogs to hunt. I'm just saying that if people use domesticated dogs to hunt wild animals, they don't have much basis to complain about wild animals killing the occasional dog. I just think of that as the universe's way of evening things out a little.
Fair enough.

Have a great new year!!!!
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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Well, you and I apparently aren't dealing with the same people.
Apparently not.

I deal mostly with hunters/outdoorsmen, the vast majority of whom welcomed the wolf hunts. If they were angry, it was only because of the billboards and propagandist tactics used by the advocacy groups to halt the seasons, not the seasons, themselves.
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