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Old 05-15-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Woodrow, Elaphe is a genus name, not a family. It's actually the original genus name for the rat snakes, and many of them have been moved to the newer genus Pantherophis.

Coluber is also a genus name, which are the racers.

The family that the ratsnakes and many other nonvenomous snakes are in is called Colubridae (kind of a catch-all). Both Pantherophis (Elaphe) and Coluber are in the family Colubridae.

Snakes in the genus Pantherophis (Elaphe) do not have a rounded body shape, they have a shape that is more reflective of a loaf of bread. Coluber (the racers) have a rounded body shape, although their bellies are flatter than their dorsum, as you mentioned.

Regarding the snake in the photograph, AmyLewis is correct. It is Pantherophis guttatus, the red rat snake, otherwise known as a corn snake.
Just made me realize how much I have forgotten about taxonomy.

Did some more checking, you are correct that is Pantherophis guttatus,

ABC Snake Center ¤¤ le centre d'élevage de serpents d'ABC Animalerie ¤¤ www.abcsnakecenter.com
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Just made me realize how much I have forgotten about taxonomy.

Did some more checking, you are correct that is Pantherophis guttatus,

ABC Snake Center ¤¤ le centre d'élevage de serpents d'ABC Animalerie ¤¤ www.abcsnakecenter.com
The one in your thumbnail pic is a stunner.
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Old 05-15-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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The one in your thumbnail pic is a stunner.
It came from the link I posted. It is Quite a beauty, must have shed shortly before the picture was taken.
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Old 05-15-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: California → Tennessee → Ohio
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Cottonmouth
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Old 05-15-2015, 05:44 PM
 
Location: north bama
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rattleheadedcoppersnake ?
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Old 05-15-2015, 07:09 PM
 
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rattleheadedcoppersnake ?
I thought those were endangered? Dangit.
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Old 05-15-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: NC
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baby corn snake
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Old 05-15-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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harmless rat snake
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Old 05-15-2015, 09:42 PM
 
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I thought so, too, but when I went by the spot again about 2 hrs later it was gone. I still want to know what it is.
Looks like a dead corn snake to me.. And the fact that it was gone just means that one of your local, friendly scavengers was doing its cleanup job.. I would bet on a hawk or vulture.
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Old 05-16-2015, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Just made me realize how much I have forgotten about taxonomy.

Did some more checking, you are correct that is Pantherophis guttatus,

ABC Snake Center ¤¤ le centre d'élevage de serpents d'ABC Animalerie ¤¤ www.abcsnakecenter.com
That's the best image, too. If I had seen a photo like that, I wouldn't have had to ask. Thanks again, everyone.
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