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Old 10-10-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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My opinion of “pliestocene rewilding?”

It is a ridiculous notion thought up by persons with little experience with wildlife or the environment. Except possibly as observers.

It shouts arrogance and ignorance at the same time. A lack of respect, understanding, and appreciation of living creatures that now exist in the targeted areas. Both human and others.

Fund raising efforts will make some a very comfortable living.
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Old 10-10-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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What makes you think the current process of culling bison and mustangs is deplorable? Granted I think it is sad that the BLM (feral) horses are warehoused and that taxpayers have to pay for this misguided abuse (there are things worse than death).
At least for horses, it is illegal to kill them so they keep them caged up hoping someone will buy them which is also irresponsible considering that they are wild and should not be caged. it would be more humane if they just put them out of there misery and sold them for meat, and there is no sustainable way of controlling their population and a drain on tax payer money, and many die anyway in the horrible conditions that they are kept in and the stress and fear that is placed upon them.
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Old 10-11-2015, 07:25 AM
 
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This is a very controversial subject but this is a significant problem.
Livestock a major threat to environment

Deforestation in Brazil is surging again
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Old 10-11-2015, 07:48 AM
 
Location: LI,NY zone 7a
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This is a very controversial subject but this is a significant problem.
Livestock a major threat to environment

Deforestation in Brazil is surging again
And we're supposed to be the most intelligent life form. Not when there is no common sense involved!
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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This is a very controversial subject but this is a significant problem.
Livestock a major threat to environment

Deforestation in Brazil is surging again
Livestock is an easy target. A lot of jealousy toward those who raise it and live in beautiful country.

It is much more complex than "all domestic grazing is bad."

Look into the methane levels caused by the positive improvements in wetland creation and restoration.

Look into the methane levels caused by increased rice production worldwide.

There are many factors.

Look at the increase in the use of man toys (four wheelers, jet skis, dirt bikes, etc).

Look into the increase in people's demand for comfort in their working and living environments.
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Old 10-11-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Speaking about live stock, what do you guys think about farming animals that are more environmentally friendly, and cheaper to produce. For instance the ostrich Recent developments in ostrich farming which is better suited for arid environments such as the American west when compared to cattle, they also have more offspring so a female ostrich will produce more meat in her life of breeding than a cow will ever make. They require less water and less food, and can be in 130F without any discomfort. Their legs also don't damage the soil unlike cattle, who's hooves rip open the soil when running, or compacting it when walking. Ostriches also are faster runners and would have a better chance of evading predators as well.
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Old 10-11-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Apparently, all we need is another nuclear disaster to rewild:

In the eerie emptiness of Chernobyl’s abandoned towns, wildlife is flourishing - The Washington Post

"whatever the fallout from the disaster may have been, it turned out that the absence of humans was more than enough to compensate...."

Obviously, I am being tongue-in-cheek here. I was very -- no, extremely -- surprised at how much wildlife is there and how animal populations are increasing. The article is definitely worth a read, and the photo gallery is beautiful. Amazing. Of course, as the article points out, we don't know how much molecular damage has been done to individuals and species. But still....

P.S. I wish those idiot reporters had resisted the urge to feed the fox, who apparently has no fear of humans.
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Old 10-11-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Speaking about live stock, what do you guys think about farming animals that are more environmentally friendly, and cheaper to produce. For instance the ostrich Recent developments in ostrich farming which is better suited for arid environments such as the American west when compared to cattle, they also have more offspring so a female ostrich will produce more meat in her life of breeding than a cow will ever make. They require less water and less food, and can be in 130F without any discomfort. Their legs also don't damage the soil unlike cattle, who's hooves rip open the soil when running, or compacting it when walking. Ostriches also are faster runners and would have a better chance of evading predators as well.
Interesting. I would raise them.

The cloven hooves of cattle aren't all bad for the soil, though. On compacted soils they provide some aeration and encourage holding moisture and encourage growth. Same for cloven-hoofed wildlife.

Horse's hooves, unfortunately, compact soil. My own place... I do not let horses, domestic or feral, near springs. Within a few years they will eliminate a small (but essential) water source. Sure if the horses can't get directly to it, neither can wildlife. But, the animals that use these places sure don't seem to mind.
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Old 10-11-2015, 04:24 PM
 
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I don't know about other places, but in the South American pampas, the grass hasn't evolved with cattle, and I heard that cattle do a lot of damage to those temperate arid grasslands. And I have heard about Chernobyl, they even introduced bison and przewalski's horse (wild horse) there, but for some odd reason the area still gets poached, just not as prevalent as other regions.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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Update on Pleistocene Park


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfLwGLSs-Uk
(Kickstarter was a success and is closed now)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71Qm5ljmG8

These are the current animals in the park
Reindeer: 20
Moose: 15
Yakutian Horse: 25
Musk Ox: 3 (males)
Wisent (European Bison): 1 (male)
Domestic Yaks: 12
Edilbaevskaya sheep: 30

plus many other small animals such as rabbits and birds.
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