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Old 07-03-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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A Jaguar. Wow. Yea this is rather sad. If it wasn't causing problems killing it to my mind was unnecessary. I have had to track and kill mountain lions who were killing cattle and sheep ,but I never hunted them for sport.


A Jag in AZ. Now deceased........
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:52 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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....Or sometimes a few of these deer escape and spread CWD to wild deer.

A growing problem here in WI. CWD is essentially "mad cow disease" in deer. I wouldn't eat any venison until the problem is solved.


Along the same line, a hunter (happens to be a woman) recently killed a black giraffe on a hunt in South Africa. The story was posted on Facebook and she got a lot of grief from "environmentally sensitive" types. While I'm not personally a hunter, we do need hunting to control populations now that we've usurped so much natural habitat. If we don't, the populations either starve each other out or we give the habitat back--- who's first to give up their home and food supply so the buffalo can migrate again--any volunteers?


https://people.com/pets/kentucky-wom...black-giraffe/


"However, Julian Fennessy, Ph.D., co-founder of the Giraffe Conservation Foundation told Yahoo Lifestyle that the animal is not “rare” or endangered. “The giraffe in the photo is of the South African species Giraffa giraffe, which are not rare – they are increasing in the wild,” he said. “Legal hunting of giraffe is not a reason for their decline, despite the moral and ethical side of it, which is a different story.” "
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:56 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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How horribly sad. All the details aren't known as it may have been killed in Mexico along the border. What a shame. They used to range from So Cal to Louisiana.
One Of The Last Known Jaguars In US Killed
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Sad news

Some idiot killing a beautiful animal for its fur or as a trophy. There is something wrong with these kind of people...
As much as I love jaguars the game is up unless they're reintroduced. One or two strays is not a breeding population. Even if they find each other to breed there would not be any genetic diversity.

That was why wolves needed to be reintroduced to Yellowstone. Stray or dispersing animals from Canada did not make a viable population, even with the pre-reintroduction abundance of ungulate prey.
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Old 07-04-2018, 07:00 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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As much as I love jaguars the game is up unless they're reintroduced. One or two strays is not a breeding population. Even if they find each other to breed there would not be any genetic diversity.

That was why wolves needed to be reintroduced to Yellowstone. Stray or dispersing animals from Canada did not make a viable population, even with the pre-reintroduction abundance of ungulate prey.

The biology mathematicians tell us large mammals need a minimum breeding population (ie- they live in a large enough, contiguous area to reach each other) of >500 individuals to avoid extinction.



Jaguars need ~ 50 sq mi for an individua's territory, so 500 x 50 = 25,000 contiguous sq mi (a plot 250mi x 100mi) to maintain that small local population.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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Regardless, the Jaguar had a right to it's life. It lived in a remote part of Arizona, hunted it's own food and was doing quite well for itself. Whether or not it would be able to breed is beside the point. Jaguars are still fairly common in Central and South America. That doesn't mean one of the last wild Jaguars in the United States had no value because it wasn't going to find a mate or sustain a population.

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Old 07-04-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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Regardless, the Jaguar had a right to it's life....

Why, you old softie...

I happen to agree with you. I don't see the "sport" in using a high power sight & rifle to plug a defenseless creature from 1000m away. Now, if the guy had stalked it, confronted it face to face, wrestled with it and choked it to death like Tarzan, then maybe I'd be impressed.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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wish i hadn't clicked
Breaks my heart. The world is failing our animals.
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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As much as I love jaguars the game is up unless they're reintroduced. One or two strays is not a breeding population. Even if they find each other to breed there would not be any genetic diversity.

That was why wolves needed to be reintroduced to Yellowstone. Stray or dispersing animals from Canada did not make a viable population, even with the pre-reintroduction abundance of ungulate prey.
Neither the wolves nor any other species benefited from this.

A balance had developed before this. Now, the situation has deteriorated. Oh, one other problem: coyote populations in this area have dropped which has allowed mouse populations to explode.

Nature abhors a vacuum; it also abhors too many predators or too many of any group.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Neither the wolves nor any other species benefited from this.

A balance had developed before this. Now, the situation has deteriorated. Oh, one other problem: coyote populations in this area have dropped which has allowed mouse populations to explode.

Nature abhors a vacuum; it also abhors too many predators or too many of any group.
The elk were definitely overpopulating the Yellowstone/National Elk Refuge/Grand Teton region. I am fully in favor of their reintroduction.

I even petted an animal closely related to a wolf yesterday.
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Old 07-04-2018, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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The elk were definitely overpopulating the Yellowstone/National Elk Refuge/Grand Teton region. I am fully in favor of their reintroduction.

I even petted an animal closely related to a wolf yesterday.
So did I, today as well. The reintroduction of wolves is responsible for their being trapped and poisoned. That shouldn't happen to any animal.
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