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Old 07-07-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Why, you old softie...

I happen to agree with you. I don't see the "sport" in using a high power sight & rifle to plug a defenseless creature from 1000m away. Now, if the guy had stalked it, confronted it face to face, wrestled with it and choked it to death like Tarzan, then maybe I'd be impressed.

Tarzan used his Fathers hunting knife in contests with the big cats. Numa, Sheeta, Sabor. A Jag would be Sheeta in the Mangani language I think. Haha. Just being cheeky. Though in this case I happen to agree with you. Such a rare animal seen this far North. Shame.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:12 PM
 
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As much as I love jaguars the game is up unless they're reintroduced. One or two strays is not a breeding population. Even if they find each other to breed there would not be any genetic diversity.

That was why wolves needed to be reintroduced to Yellowstone. Stray or dispersing animals from Canada did not make a viable population, even with the pre-reintroduction abundance of ungulate prey.
The entire population of thousands in MI and WI came from dispersers from MN.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:07 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The entire population of thousands in MI and WI came from dispersers from MN.
Minnesota and Canada. And that's a much thicker migration channel than the spine of the Rockies.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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Minnesota and Canada. And that's a much thicker migration channel than the spine of the Rockies.


I dont think Canada can be proven to have contributed many wolves at all. There were occasional crossings into the UP, but not many. And the Rockies are much more remote and inaccessible and roadless, and I'm not sure how you can say MN-WI has a thicker migration channel. Most of those MI-WI wolves ancestors came through an area no more than about 70 miles wide into WI, an area riddled with roads and highways which means easy access for hunters/poachers/trappers.


If left alone, the Rockies would have repopulated itself by now. Maybe not to the same numbers, but it would be well on its way.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:47 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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I dont think Canada can be proven to have contributed many wolves at all. There were occasional crossings into the UP, but not many. And the Rockies are much more remote and inaccessible and roadless, and I'm not sure how you can say MN-WI has a thicker migration channel. Most of those MI-WI wolves ancestors came through an area no more than about 70 miles wide into WI, an area riddled with roads and highways which means easy access for hunters/poachers/trappers.

If left alone, the Rockies would have repopulated itself by now. Maybe not to the same numbers, but it would be well on its way.
The hunting, or "SSS" (shoot, shovel and shut up) population in the Rockies is greater than in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. And even though the Rockies look wide, rugged mountains actually offer fewer migration opportunities. Much of the land is quite steep and not especially rich in game.
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:52 PM
 
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That's why it would have taken a while longer. But they would have come back, and reports/sightings were increasing when the reintroductions began and made it a moot point. Anti-wolf sentiment is even stronger because of the reintroductions than it was before.
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