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Now that somebody mentioned Greenland, would anyone care to comment on that name? Sounds like it it got colder, not warmer. Global warming?
Also, whatever happened to Chicken Little, who reported in the fifties, or perhaps earlier, that the sky was falling? As of today, it is still up there.
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Some places definitely used to be considerably warmer. s ice melts in those areas they are finding the remains of humans and animals as well as the remains of villages or campsites. So yes, it got colder and then warmer and then colder and then warmer. If you dislike the global warming theory, then wait a few years, maybe we will go back to global cooling science from the 1980s. We are all going to freeze. the world is doomed. Everything will be encased in ice.
Remarkably in the 1990s we were all going to die due to deforestation. If it is was not stopped, there was no question that by 2020 the entire population of earth would be wiped out. We needed lots of laws and regulations and taxes. If we wanted our children to survive, we had to vote for people who wold put a stop to it. Some restaurants had signs showing how many acres of forest was being wiped out every second and a countdown to when this would end the world. It was a societal obsession.
We did not stop deforesting and actually increased it. What I find remarkable is not that we are not all dead yet, but that no one is screaming about deforestation anymore. It is just a non-issue. Carbon emissions are the new deforestation, but what happened to deforestation? It did not stop or even slow down, but now no one seems to care. Frankly if they would go back to focusing on deforestation, they might get some of the carbon cleaned up and eliminate two ends of the world panics at once.
It's so difficult to fathom. The change from 1901-1925 to 1976-2000 is barely noticeable except in a few places, but it'll be dramatic by 2075-2100. I'm worried that the shifts may happen faster than plants can respond in some places.
Of course, it's likely that Greenland will see a lot of birch, willow and alder forests in coastal regions (conifer cones cannot cross an ocean) and lose most of its ice sheet, but I meant mainland North America.
Your second sentence ends with an assumption upon which you are basing this entire thread. Perhaps you'd care to support that assumption with facts before continuing.
Invasive plants, mainly from Asia, are taking over. Our are has the Japanese knotweed and Japanese stilt grass. It is almost like our Country is being terraformed to an Asian ecosystem.
Yeah. I'd much rather deal with plants from the Deep South (mostly evergreen and not uncontrollable) than from Japan and E. China (mostly deciduous, harder to control).
There's a huge disconnect between the science and the hype.
I had to laugh the other day when watching a lecture by a glaciologist from UW. He started the piece describing ecological succession in NA as the last glaciation waned and temps rose dramatically and quickly (much more quickly than we're currently experiencing). He noted that the record shows the aspen. poplar, birch "pioneer" woods grew only in what is now the Deep South, but over the centuries, they died out there, but extended their range to more northern areas just south of the Great lakes, and then to the northern Great Lakes area and eventually into Canada....Good science. Plants grow where the environment suits them and "move" with the changing environment.
But then, ignoring the whole concept of ecological succession that he just described, the knucklehead tries to tell us that the pioneer trees will die out it temps keep on warming!???...His funding probably depends on his research "proving" global warming is a problem (no problem = no money), so he's obligated to suspend reality for the sake of the drama.
Climate change is real -- has probably been going on since the origins if recorded history -- but it has been hijacked and over-hyped by a clique of environmental zealots, who see it as a convenient excuse to recruit the snowflakes, teenyboppers, and others among the easily-impressed and technologically-hostile with an excuse to party -- not to mention the lucrative possibility of entrenching themselves within an unnecessary environmental bureaucracy at the expense of taxpayers and those engaged in actual, productive work.
The phenomenon deserves a slow, careful privately-run and not-too expensive investigation, but this wouldn't serve the purposes of the alarmists who produce 30-second sound bites built around cuddly polar bears.
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Wow, that was quite a pile of nonsensical vitriol to spit out in one mouthful.
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It was the simple condensed truth; that's precisely why you resent it so strongly.
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No, it was gibberish. The right wing worm ate clean through your brain.
Childish labeling, like "right-wing". "Fascist", and "racist" are the last resort of closeted authoritarians who've run out of logical backing for their arguments.
There's a huge disconnect between the science and the hype.
I had to laugh the other day when watching a lecture by a glaciologist from UW. He started the piece describing ecological succession in NA as the last glaciation waned and temps rose dramatically and quickly (much more quickly than we're currently experiencing). He noted that the record shows the aspen. poplar, birch "pioneer" woods grew only in what is now the Deep South, but over the centuries, they died out there, but extended their range to more northern areas just south of the Great lakes, and then to the northern Great Lakes area and eventually into Canada....Good science. Plants grow where the environment suits them and "move" with the changing environment.
But then, ignoring the whole concept of ecological succession that he just described, the knucklehead tries to tell us that the pioneer trees will die out it temps keep on warming!???...His funding probably depends on his research "proving" global warming is a problem (no problem = no money), so he's obligated to suspend reality for the sake of the drama.
More likely is that you just don't understand complex ecological topics that aren't dumbed down enough. Climate change isn't just temperature increase.
Childish labeling, like "right-wing". "Fascist", and "racist" are the last resort of closeted authoritarians who've run out of logical backing for their arguments.
Mr Pot, meet Mr. Kettle
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Climate change is real -- has probably been going on since the origins if recorded history -- but it has been hijacked and over-hyped by a clique of environmental zealots, who see it as a convenient excuse to recruit the snowflakes, teenyboppers, and others among the easily-impressed and technologically-hostile with an excuse to party -- not to mention the lucrative possibility of entrenching themselves within an unnecessary environmental bureaucracy at the expense of taxpayers and those engaged in actual, productive work.
The phenomenon deserves a slow, careful privately-run and not-too expensive investigation, but this wouldn't serve the purposes of the alarmists who produce 30-second sound bites built around cuddly polar bears.
More likely is that you just don't understand complex ecological topics that aren't dumbed down enough. Climate change isn't just temperature increase.
I refuse to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
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