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Old 07-05-2010, 06:36 PM
 
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That's enough!! I require nuts who bash the word, government, to state which dept. and which individual screwed them over.

When you say, "...government tries to intervene with our lives..incompetent trash...", do you mean Olive Terwilliger who works as a clerk in the Dept. of Roads (God forbid she have a job that feeds her husband and 3 kids) or do you mean the 3rd grade teacher at Broken Bow, Nebraska, or do you mean Joe Merchantschild who just got onto the State Patrol, perhaps to be the first responder when your child has an accident. WTH do you mean by government? Oh yeah, you're picturing Senator Career in a hammock while you garner your own form of entitlements.

Give it up.
Sorry you are so upset Roots. And I don't think people are angry about police or firemen so much as all the pension money that is going to everyone in the public sector these days. It appears as if none of the govt sectors from the feds on down to municipalities have funded their pension plans and now want bailouts from the private sector.

In addition, any private sector jobs that were created with the stmulus were at a price of about a million each. Way too many public sector jobs are being added and that means more retirement funds. The private sector just can't carry the burden anymore.

Some specific areas people are upset about are medicaid, food stamps, social security, medicare, and illegal immigration. Most of these are good programs if they were run properly. But the corruption is killing us.

Every program out there has multi levels of buraucy to weed out the corruption but they can't find it. Look at the SEC. Watching porn for 8 hrs a day while our financial sector collapsed.

For most of us the benefits we garner from our hammocks are fire, police, roads, and military and we DO pay dearly for them. No entitlements here...just putting up with the inefficiency of the govt.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: South Coast of Nebraska
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Sorry you are so upset Roots. And I don't think people are angry about police or firemen so much as all the pension money that is going to everyone in the public sector these days. It appears as if none of the govt sectors from the feds on down to municipalities have funded their pension plans and now want bailouts from the private sector.

In addition, any private sector jobs that were created with the stmulus were at a price of about a million each. Way too many public sector jobs are being added and that means more retirement funds. The private sector just can't carry the burden anymore.

Some specific areas people are upset about are medicaid, food stamps, social security, medicare, and illegal immigration. Most of these are good programs if they were run properly. But the corruption is killing us.

Every program out there has multi levels of buraucy to weed out the corruption but they can't find it. Look at the SEC. Watching porn for 8 hrs a day while our financial sector collapsed.

For most of us the benefits we garner from our hammocks are fire, police, roads, and military and we DO pay dearly for them. No entitlements here...just putting up with the inefficiency of the govt.
OK. Finally, someone is somewhat specific. My rant was about the dangers that I see looming over the careless abandonment of truth.

People should be wary of individuals who are administering public funds and public policy. But, sometimes we create a violent (as in T. McVey) or an un-informed voting public by negatively blaming an entire word--government. Government is organization. Without it, we have chaos. Anarchy.

One of the scariest is a congressman who rails, constantly, about too much govt, in a district where there is little private investment but, mostly, hospital, school and municipal govt. jobs. (i.e. Western Nebraska)
Now, I can tell you that high property tax and complex government insurance hurt the small business person/farmer, in that geographic area. But, the money spent by the workers in the public sector support that very business--so....go figure.

Those political tirades rile citizens, who bite the hand that feeds them, without an explanation of the specific policy or the Dept. head that is unfair or un-smart.

Back to Health Care: Specifically, who or which part of the new rules will hurt who(m?)?
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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One of the scariest is a congressman who rails, constantly, about too much govt, in a district where there is little private investment but, mostly, hospital, school and municipal govt. jobs. (i.e. Western Nebraska)
Now, I can tell you that high property tax and complex government insurance hurt the small business person/farmer, in that geographic area. But, the money spent by the workers in the public sector support that very business--so....go figure.

Those political tirades rile citizens, who bite the hand that feeds them, without an explanation of the specific policy or the Dept. head that is unfair or un-smart.
I've made this point also; that is, the irony of people who live in areas like ours voting Republican, of all things.
It's probably one of the best scams in American history.
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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I've made this point also; that is, the irony of people who live in areas like ours voting Republican, of all things.
It's probably one of the best scams in American history.
Yes, I agree that comments like this are based on opinion with no fact base and lead to uninformed voters. Anyone voting strictly because of the letter behind someone's name is truly uninformed.
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:04 AM
 
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OK. Finally, someone is somewhat specific. My rant was about the dangers that I see looming over the careless abandonment of truth.

People should be wary of individuals who are administering public funds and public policy. But, sometimes we create a violent (as in T. McVey) or an un-informed voting public by negatively blaming an entire word--government. Government is organization. Without it, we have chaos. Anarchy.

One of the scariest is a congressman who rails, constantly, about too much govt, in a district where there is little private investment but, mostly, hospital, school and municipal govt. jobs. (i.e. Western Nebraska)
Now, I can tell you that high property tax and complex government insurance hurt the small business person/farmer, in that geographic area. But, the money spent by the workers in the public sector support that very business--so....go figure.

Those political tirades rile citizens, who bite the hand that feeds them, without an explanation of the specific policy or the Dept. head that is unfair or un-smart.

Back to Health Care: Specifically, who or which part of the new rules will hurt who(m?)?
You seem to be a smart person but surely you can't believe that Timothy McVey's bombing was CAUSED by people expressing their opinions about the government. He was mentally disturbed! Do you realize that this kind of thinking evolved into US Military personel returning from Iraq and Afghanistan to be listed on the Terrorism watch list? That is insane and insulting to those fighting for our country. So I guess that would be Homeland security I'm upset with to be specific.

And as far as "biting the hand that feeds you" I think a majority of citizens would rather get a job and feed themselves and have the government move out of the way.

Polls show that the majority of the people don't want this health care law to be enacted because it will not cut costs. Yet the goverment, in it's infinite wisdom, pushes forward against the will of the people. Yes that has alot of people riled. I guess that would be Congress.

Arizona passed a law to crack down on illegal immigration in their state because the Feds won't enforce the law of the land and Arizona can't absorb the costs associated with the illegals in their state. Instead of offering assistance the Feds chose to call the law racial profiling without even reading it. They have now filed suit against Arizona citing "preemption" not profiling. Guess it helps to actually READ the law. Too bad they didn't have time to READ the health care law before voting on it.
Again, I guess that would be Congress and I will add Obama and Holder.

I also think that what keeps us from anarchy is LAWS. The government just provides the means of enforcing the laws. And unfortunately the majority is upset because they aren't doing that either.

I'm not picking on you, it's just that you were the one that was worried that people expressing their feelings could cause another McVey incident and I don't believe that expressing an opinion has anything to do with some fringe element going over the edge.
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:12 AM
 
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Thanks for all the updates. Glad someone is bringing the facts to the forefront. This is going to be very interesting. I can't believe Sebelius got away with withholding that info. So much for transparency. Someone should be held accountable.
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
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OK. Finally, someone is somewhat specific. My rant was about the dangers that I see looming over the careless abandonment of truth.

People should be wary of individuals who are administering public funds and public policy. But, sometimes we create a violent (as in T. McVey) or an un-informed voting public by negatively blaming an entire word--government. Government is organization. Without it, we have chaos. Anarchy.

One of the scariest is a congressman who rails, constantly, about too much govt, in a district where there is little private investment but, mostly, hospital, school and municipal govt. jobs. (i.e. Western Nebraska)
Now, I can tell you that high property tax and complex government insurance hurt the small business person/farmer, in that geographic area. But, the money spent by the workers in the public sector support that very business--so....go figure.

Those political tirades rile citizens, who bite the hand that feeds them, without an explanation of the specific policy or the Dept. head that is unfair or un-smart.

Back to Health Care: Specifically, who or which part of the new rules will hurt who(m?)?
Who does it hurt? Are you kidding me roots? That’s one of the most naive questions I’ve seen on here. It hurts all of us. Believe it or not, this thing has to be paid for. If you are not paying your share then someone else is. We’ve already seen a 10 percent tax on tanning. Now you may say it doesn’t seem like much, or it doesn’t affect you, but the point is someone else is paying it. In other words, the government is confiscating someone else’s wealth and paying for your health care. A classic socialist program of redistribution of wealth - confiscate from one group of Americans and give to another group.

Now let me remind you what has happened with our educational system since the federal takeover in the 1970’s? After nearly 35 years of federal government control we don’t even rank in the top 25 countries of the world in reading, math or science. Is that a social program that you can defend? I’m ashamed of that statistic and I hope you are as well. Who does that hurt? It hurts all of us as a country.

I predict that the same thing will happen to healthcare. And it will happen ever so slowly over the next generation or so that most won’t even realize it’s gone. Why folks are so willing to give up their freedoms, give up being the best in the world for what they think is a free ride, I cannot explain.

By far, the latest advances in drugs and medical procedures come predominately from the US - due to capitalism and the free market. Yes, “aerahrtlu” this is because of big business, not because of big government.

This bill was supposed to increase accessibility and reduce costs. However, the latest news reports (from news agencies generally supportive of President Obama) and the latest CBO report, all indicate less accessibility and higher costs. Furthermore, the AMA just reported that 68 percent of doctors surveyed are going to place a limit on new Medicare patients. And the AMA supported this bill. Additionally, many nationwide pharmacies are limiting new Medicaid patients. Can anyone on here please explain to me specifically how this bill is going to reduce costs and increase accessibility? Can anyone say rationing?

Some folks are in a financial situation and need assistance no doubt. Many folks are simply selfish and want their neighbors to pay for their healthcare. Sorry, that’s just shameful.

Current entitlements account for 56 percent of all federal spending, and entitlements represent $46 trillion in un-funded liabilities. For 2010 Washington is spending $30,500.00 per household while collecting $17,879.00 per household in taxes. In short, 42 cents out of every dollar Washington spends is borrowed. And this is before the $1.12 trillion cost of the new healthcare bill. Our children and grandchildren are strapped with that debt. How are you explaining that to your children and grandchildren? Are any of you feeling better yet?
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
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I've made this point also; that is, the irony of people who live in areas like ours voting Republican, of all things.
It's probably one of the best scams in American history.
Actually, the best scam in American history is the one the federal government is presently pulling on the electorate. The really scary part is many are so naive they continue believe the politicians and willingly standby and let it happen.
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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We’ve already seen a 10 percent tax on tanning. Now you may say it doesn’t seem like much, or it doesn’t affect you, but the point is someone else is paying it.
Well I should hope so! lol
This is like smokers having to pay an extra tax on that which will make THEM a future burden on society.
Oh wait. We already do that.
And it was a good idea, too.


So far as health care, the US already spends more than any other nation on the planet for our health care. And it doesn't even cover 1/2 of the population!!

To think that people want to continue that system is what's baffling.
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Old 07-07-2010, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
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Well I should hope so! lol
This is like smokers having to pay an extra tax on that which will make THEM a future burden on society.
Oh wait. We already do that.
And it was a good idea, too.


So far as health care, the US already spends more than any other nation on the planet for our health care. And it doesn't even cover 1/2 of the population!!

To think that people want to continue that system is what's baffling.
“Well I should hope so?” What’s that mean? Why should the tanners pay for your healthcare? Why should anyone but you pay for your healthcare? Classic socialistic mindset - as long as the government is taxing someone else to pay for your social program it’s ok huh Fred? You don’t know that tanners or smokers will be a burden. You’re assuming that they will one day and taxing them beforehand. How many more good ideas to you have? Other than the government run education system of course. I notice you didn’t dispute my facts on how poorly that has been run or how poorly we now fare against the rest of the world.

Of course we pay more for our health care. It’s the best there is. Folks come here from all over the world to receive the best and latest medical treatments and drugs. If you go to the E.R. suffering from a heart attack, do you want the attending physician or nurse to call in the cheapest cardiologist working for a government re-embursment fee while watching the time clock, or do you want them to call in the best cardiologist? Personally, I want the best not the cheapest. I can assure you not many cardiac patients are traveling to Cuba for cheaper medical treatment.

If you really feel that we pay too much for healthcare and only cover ½ of the population (which is not true), please explain to me how we are going to cover the other half of the population and at the same time spend less. I’ve been a business man for over 30 years and I’d like to know how you do that.

In an earlier post you mentioned your branding operation. Branding is a high risk operation, ripe for injury. I know, I’ve done it. I think that you folks should pay an additional fee for partaking in a high risk activity just in case you one day become a burden. Furthermore, I’m working 60 hours per week and paying taxes. 56 percent of the wealth that our government confiscates is going back to the takers in some form of re-distribution. This puts undue stress on me and because of that stress I may someday be a burden to society. I say let’s tax the takers an additional 30 percent because I may one day be that burden you refer to. Just using your own logic Fred.

Actually, I have a novel idea… let’s have the tanners, smokers, ranchers and takers pay for their own healthcare so that the producers in our society, who by the way are paying for their own healthcare, don’t have to pay for those so called “burdens”!!!
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