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Using the word degenerating to describe two posts which do not agree with your point of view is typical of the disproportionately run main stream media.
In New Hampshire for instance, it is all about appeasing a small vocal minority which completely mirror main stream homosexual television pundits such as Anderson Cooper, Rachel Madhow and producers whom have absolutely no Boundaries regarding social or moral values.
Eventually the truth shall prevail in New Hampshire and all this deviance will be hopefully back in the closet.
I was referring to the thread deviating from the intent of the original poster. You appear to have mistakenly assumed I was talking about you or your point of view. That's on you, not me. Next time it might be wise for you to step back and think before you post a nasty comment to somebody.
Hi,
My partner and I are making serious plans to move to the lakes region in 2011. We currently live in NJ and have a Civil Union. We are concerned about the possibility of losing some of our legal rights if we move to NH and gay marriage is repealed. (Imagine moving to state and you could no longer be husband and wife).
My question to this forum is... how likely do you think it will be that gay marriage is repealed? If it is repealed, do you think NH will have civil unions instead?
We LOVE the lakes region and really want to get involved in the community up there. We want to volunteer, learn, and make a positive contribution. We don't care if people are straight or gay, we just hope we are welcome.
Others have already responded but allow me to offer my two cents. The republicans have a veto proof majority on paper. But that does not mean that all of them will vote for a repeal, particularly in the house. Some will, for sure, but a sizable contingent will probably not.
In the senate there are probably more that will vote for it. But there is, by no means, a guarantee that a veto-proof majority actually exists on this issue in the republican party. Many of the republicans that were elected are new and lean toward the libertarian right. My friend Bruce is one of them.
Those folks will NOT vote for a repeal of gay marriage under any circumstances. Liberty is their primary cause and value, and they will not remove a right and freedom from a vulnerable minorty in the state.
Most of those who want to repeal it are the holy roller types who believe that their religion should dominate and control our society. They are, in fact, a minority in New Hampshire. NH is not the bible belt, that sort of stuff does not go over well here at all. It's religious nanny stating. We don't like it when socialists push the nanny state crap and we don't want holy rollers pushing it either.
If by some chance gay marriage actually was repealed, the lawsuits would begin flying immediately and the courts would overturn any ban. This would cost the state a lot of money and time to try to defend but it would eventually be overturned. So the entire thing is a pointless exercise that is being pushed by the holy roller types that like to insert their religion into other people's lives.
So should you move here? Sure, why not? However, if you come up here please adopt a more libertarian perspective. Please do NOT come up here and vote for socialist nanny staters in the mistaken belief that they are more pro-gay than the libertarian republican types. We do not want New Hampshire to degenerate into Massachusetts (with its high taxes, corrupt state government, unbelievable nanny state crap, etc.).
So if you come, please respect our state's Live Free or Die motto and our traditions. That means that if somebody tries to push mandatory seat belt laws, gun control, hunting restrictions or other nanny state stuff then you have an obligation to pitch in and help defend other people's freedoms. And other people will in turn come to your aid politically when the holy rollers or some other faction attempts to attack your freedoms.
I hope that helps in your decision making. New Hampshire is a great place to live but it's only going to stay that way if you join us in fighting authoritarians (liberal and conservative) who attempt to change the state according to their own need to control other people's lives. We must not let that happen and if you move here I hope you understand that.
Hi,
My partner and I are making serious plans to move to the lakes region in 2011. We currently live in NJ and have a Civil Union. We are concerned about the possibility of losing some of our legal rights if we move to NH and gay marriage is repealed. (Imagine moving to state and you could no longer be husband and wife).
My question to this forum is... how likely do you think it will be that gay marriage is repealed? If it is repealed, do you think NH will have civil unions instead?
We LOVE the lakes region and really want to get involved in the community up there. We want to volunteer, learn, and make a positive contribution. We don't care if people are straight or gay, we just hope we are welcome.
One last comment for you. You might notice that there have been posts here by some of the holy roller types. I urge you not to bother responding to them. Just refer them to the flow chart and let them vent their venom at the chart.
Arguing with them is like arguing with a socialist nanny stater, you really cannot get through to these folks. Their religious perspective blinds them to everything else the same way that the socialist nanny staters are blind to how toxic their big government ideas are to freedom.
You really cannot reach these types of people, they are authoritarians at heart and they have an in-born need to try to dominate other people's lives. So we must concentrate on joining with those who value liberty and out-voting both factions. Let them spend their time venting their hate at each other.
As long as we keep both factions mostly politically impotent, New Hampshire's tradition of liberty for all will endure.
One last comment for you. You might notice that there have been posts here by some of the holy roller types. I urge you not to bother responding to them. Just refer them to the flow chart and let them vent their venom at the chart.
Arguing with them is like arguing with a socialist nanny stater, you really cannot get through to these folks. Their religious perspective blinds them to everything else the same way that the socialist nanny staters are blind to how toxic their big government ideas are to freedom.
You really cannot reach these types of people, they are authoritarians at heart and they have an in-born need to try to dominate other people's lives. So we must concentrate on joining with those who value liberty and out-voting both factions. Let them spend their time venting their hate at each other.
As long as we keep both factions mostly politically impotent, New Hampshire's tradition of liberty for all will endure.
pushing a perverted agenda is not perusing liberty it is an attack on it. We pretend we a doing good, being accepting, in reality we are helping to further destroy humanity. homosexuality's greatest victims are the practitioners themselves. We show how much we truly hate them when we lie to them and say it is normal and right.
So should you move here? Sure, why not? However, if you come up here please adopt a more libertarian perspective. Please do NOT come up here and vote for socialist nanny staters in the mistaken belief that they are more pro-gay than the libertarian republican types. We do not want New Hampshire to degenerate into Massachusetts (with its high taxes, corrupt state government, unbelievable nanny state crap, etc.)...
...So if you come, please respect our state's Live Free or Die motto and our traditions. That means that if somebody tries to push mandatory seat belt laws, gun control, hunting restrictions or other nanny state stuff then you have an obligation to pitch in and help defend other people's freedoms. And other people will in turn come to your aid politically when the holy rollers or some other faction attempts to attack your freedoms.
One of the reasons why we LOVE NH is because of the independent spirit and self-reliance that seems to embody the historical culture. We want to LEARN how to be more self-reliant. We also think NH people (around the lakes region) are some of the most down-to-earth friendly people we have met in our travels. We have spent a good amount of time talking to other fishing guys about conditions, bait etc. and every single one of them was helpful , enthusiastic and thrilled that a couple of women were so interested in their sport. I think if we had said "we are lesbians" things might have been different, but it wouldn't have made sense in the context of the conversation...and believe me, we're more interested in the hot fishing spots than discussions about sexual orientation.
What really turned my head around about NH (or should I say the Lakes Region) is that a Republican friend of mine from Gilford said nobody really cared about gays getting married. It wasn't really anyone's business. I was floored to hear that coming from a Republican and I knew at that moment that there was something different going on NH. "Live and let live." That's what I heard and that's what convinced me that NH was the best place for us.
We have no interest in living in MA at all. In fact we aren't really thrilled about southern NH either. The pace is too fast, too much consumerism, high taxes, too many people, not enough open space and beauty etc.
We understand that when we move we will have to adapt to a new area and will approach it the same way we do when we visit a foreign country... watch, listen, show respect, learn, try to speak the language, assimilate. We would be arrogant and rude to try to change things that have worked for decades and long-time residents have worked hard to sustain. If we didn't share similar values we would not move to NH.
As far as who I vote for, well it's pretty darn hard to pick people these days given that I'm disenchanted with most politicians. (been heavily involved for the past 7 years-including two national presidential campaigns). At this point I'm not affiliated with any political ideology and will make decisions based on the issues (both local and state) after hearing from all sides.
I don't like the idea of legislators making a bunch of new laws just to rationalize their existence. (Seat belts, helmets, taxes to fund new bureaucratic positions, etc.) I do believe there should be oversight of things like food and drug safety and I am glad Medicare will be there (hopefully) when I need health care after 65. So it's a balance in my mind.
Finally, my hope is that repealing gay marriage will NOT be on the agenda and the legislators can attend to other issues that affect EVERY NH citizen.
CateP I think you guys will fit in fine here in NH. No one knows what the future of the marriage question will be here. I would hope you just follow your instincts & move up & let the chips fall where they may. Gay marriage may not stand, but I doubt that NH will also get rid of civil unions. Good luck.
While it may be repealed , i think the courts will have it quickly reinstated thats how it usually goes. Infact i think that we happen on a national level by the end of the decade but thats a whole different topic. Honestly as a gay person , there is no gay agenda , maybe a equality agenda but thats not such a bad idea. People need to realism we are in the 21st Century , the Modern era and not the 18th century. All Humans , no matter there class , city , lifestyle , skin color or religion should be treated in a inhuman or second class citizen way.
I think that's a really bad expectation. Repeal it, keep it, but through the legislature, not the judiciary.
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