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Old 12-28-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That's wrong all right.. Standing up for NH families is running a campaign to get you to contact your representatives to tell them you don't want the gay marriage bill repealed.. one of the key tag lines is That's wrong.. implying it is wrong to use laws to restrict freedoms..ok.

So do you think this group believes it is wrong to say enact a law that prevents folks from their individual right to decide what goes on in their business? Several years ago NH joined other states and banned smoking in restaurants and bars.. you now private business owned by private citizens,whose customers,also private citizens could choose to do business with or not.. guess that kind of freedom doesn't count, because I don't see them getting all hot and bothered about that law I cannot remember them running any commercials standing up for any local business right to allow smoking..can you?

When some representative comes around trying to force a seat belt law or helmet law on NH citizens I wonder what Standing up for NH does.. it certainly doesn't run ads decrying such an obvious infringement on a persons right to choose for themselves. Speaking of which , we do have two other laws on NH's books concerning both seat belts and helmets.. we require ( read force ) parents to both buckle their children in and wear helmets while riding a bicycle..nope, not THAT's WRONG from them on those to issues.. what about what is probably the most important freedom of all.. I have yet to see an ad for Standing up for NH railing against the hundreds of babies who are aborted every year here in the Granite State.. definitely no THAT'S WRONG from them there...mmmmm

What's wrong with Stand up for NH is it doesn't stand for NH at all, it stands for those who seek to keep legal a perversion of marriage for a special interest group. gay rights activists.. nothing more.
No one cares what gays and lesbians do in their own bedrooms, but NH like many other states was railroaded into the " gay marriage" law by out of staters.. marriage my friends is defined as follows..
The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
It is defined as such because simply that it what it is.. It is not a formal union between a man and a light bulb, a woman and her personal vibrator, or two guys in tuxedos.

Those who wish to indulge in perversion ( and by any definition homosexuality is a perversion of the natural use and design of both male and female) are free to do so, this is America, your right, your choice,but it is a deadly, pitiful lifestyle with no joy in the lives of those who live it.. much like heavy drug addiction, it draws people into it's pit and keeps them there.. it is not normal, it is not healthy and it is not marriage. Most of us realize this, most of us are angry that a cowardly governor did not have the intestinal fortitude to do what he originally said he would, and the majority of NH wants it repealed.

To those who are courageously fighting this battle, being called homophobes all the while, be of good cheer, there are more people standing with you then against you, and remember it is nothing new to be reviled for wanting to do what is right.. it is the way those seeking evil intent intimidate, don't let them get to you
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:19 AM
 
Location: New England
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I support gay marriage. I support children in proper safety seats/seat belts. I support kids wearing helmets while riding their bikes. I support the restaurant smoking ban (although if it didn't exist, I just wouldn't dine at establishments allowing it).
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Monadnock region
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Most of us realize this, most of us are angry that a cowardly governor did not have the intestinal fortitude to do what he originally said he would, and the majority of NH wants it repealed.
"Most"? I don't believe it. "Some" most certainly. What bothered people from the sound of it, is that it was decided in the legislature and not by popular vote. not the same thing at all.

Yes, I do feel that the smoking ban is wrong (much as I enjoy not smelling the smoke when I go out) and was very surprised that NH passed that. However, I also support gay marriage, seatbelt choice and helmet choice.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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"Most"? I don't believe it. "Some" most certainly. What bothered people from the sound of it, is that it was decided in the legislature and not by popular vote. not the same thing at all.

Yes, I do feel that the smoking ban is wrong (much as I enjoy not smelling the smoke when I go out) and was very surprised that NH passed that. However, I also support gay marriage, seatbelt choice and helmet choice.

It was decided by outsiders, it was decided without public support (it was also decided NOT to put it one a public ballot because they knew it would be defeated
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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I think that anyone who wants to get married in the eyes of the government/state should be able to do so...that "marriage" is just a legally binding contract between two consenting adults...

I think that anyone who wants to get married in the eyes of the church/religion...should be determined by that church/religion...

NH's laws don't violate that.

Likewise if a consenting adult wants to not wear a seatbelt or helmet so be it...
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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New Hampshire is one of the last states where personal freedoms have some protections. I've seen many posts in this forum stating "live and let live" or "live free or die". Shouldn't this apply to everyone? I am not so perfect as to have the right to judge another's lifestyle. There are people in this country who view it immoral to marry someone of a different ethnic background or religion - should that moral view be placed on everyone? I don't think that politics should be a place for moral decisions. Does a gay couple marrying affect your property or livelihood? If not - then the government does not have a place making the decision to ban it. If your God views it as unholy then let him or her deal with it. Surely God's wrath is much heftier than a governnor's.
As far as seatbelts and smoking in restaurants...does the government really need to create an environment for me to frequent? I am an adult, I can choose what restaurants to spend my dollars in and they won't be the ones where I need to wash my coat every time I visit. I'm a little torn on the seatbelt for children bit. If someone is so stupid as to let their toddler climb all over a vehicle moving at 60 miles per hour and risk flying through the windshield, they probably are not providing them much protection at home either. These generally are the same children that you find playing unattended by a busy street. But it does give me some guilty pleasure to think of these parents getting a ticket for being an idiot.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Monadnock region
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It was decided by outsiders, it was decided without public support (it was also decided NOT to put it one a public ballot because they knew it would be defeated
I know many people feel this way, however it was decided by the state legislature which is not outsiders, probably because someone realized that it is, frankly, illegal discrimination. Whether you like it or not, it is. As BF said: no church is required to do anything they don't want to do. the subject is a hot button for many people and most people have already decided how and why they are on which side of it. frankly, I"m not sure more discussion benefits anything.

Personally, I find any organization who calls me to push their agenda to be annoying and it does nothing on my end to make me want to support them. I believe what I believe regardless of their phone calls. You believe what you believe. We are not going to see eye to eye on this issue. If someone is calling around to whip up support for something to be voted on.. nothing says someone else can't call around and bother everyone against it.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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To those who have shown their support for gay marriage I do want you to know that NAMBLA ( a major sponsor of the perversion ) thanks you, thee fat guy with the kiddie porn who has been on WMUR ( court case ) thanks you.. Your support makes it easier for them to continue their agenda..and their agenda is the legal abuse of your children..might as well just leave your young ones on the curb for them. Oh and just as an aside, marriage is not a right..sorry
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by WannaComeHome View Post
I know many people feel this way, however it was decided by the state legislature which is not outsiders, probably because someone realized that it is, frankly, illegal discrimination. Whether you like it or not, it is. As BF said: no church is required to do anything they don't want to do. the subject is a hot button for many people and most people have already decided how and why they are on which side of it. frankly, I"m not sure more discussion benefits anything.

Personally, I find any organization who calls me to push their agenda to be annoying and it does nothing on my end to make me want to support them. I believe what I believe regardless of their phone calls. You believe what you believe. We are not going to see eye to eye on this issue. If someone is calling around to whip up support for something to be voted on.. nothing says someone else can't call around and bother everyone against it.
no, sorry it was not, and no there is no legal discrimination by not allowing gays to marriage, just like there is no legal discrimination for not allowing first cousins, fathers and daughters or even two strangers to marry.
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Old 12-28-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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To those who have shown their support for gay marriage I do want you to know that NAMBLA ( a major sponsor of the perversion ) thanks you, thee fat guy with the kiddie porn who has been on WMUR ( court case ) thanks you.. Your support makes it easier for them to continue their agenda..and their agenda is the legal abuse of your children..might as well just leave your young ones on the curb for them. Oh and just as an aside, marriage is not a right..sorry
You're right, we must protect the children from deviants. And since the internet has made pornography (both legal and illegle) much more accessible than any marriage laws - we should ban it immediately!
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