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Old 09-25-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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New Hampshire is one of the most Libertarian states in the country, which means that it is very conservative financially (they prefer less government spending than more).

If you take conservative to mean anything other than this, then you must be talking about social conservatives, which is (thankfully) a dying ideology. So yes, it may seem to be "moving left" to you as more and more people reject the notion of social conservatism in favor of libertarianism, but that is a national (if not global) trend, and it's not going away. Social conservatism is going away.

This is why the Republican Party is in such shambles right now, because there is a large group clinging to the social conservative platform that no one wants any more - it is costing them major elections (seriously, they couldn't beat one of the worst sitting presidents in history during the last election. Want to know why? Because the election was more or less a referendum on social conservatism. America overwhelmingly REJECTED it! They said "we would rather have a war criminal in office than a social conservative!" ).

I think you will be disappointed just about anywhere if this is still your platform, although I implore you to do some soul searching (and critical thinking) to see that it doesn't harm you at all if other people are allowed to have civil rights that you think are "icky", practice a different religion than you, or have a different skin color, so there is no reason to support a platform that opposes those kind of things/people. Welcome to the 21st century.

despite your wishful thinking social conservatism is not dying.. it's GROWING.. plain and simply put people are tired of social liberalism and the wreckage it has done not only to this state but the nation.. time to take back America folks

 
Old 09-25-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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Take back America from whom exactly? And, who took it in the first place?

It's become the tag line/mantra for the tea baggers and their ilk. They want to take it back to the 1950's and the pre-Civil Rights era.

The Tea Party has a 'big picture' vision and gay people are not in it. Neither are black people, Hispanic people or outspoken women.

To the Tea Party “acceptable” members of minority groups are an exception. Some of them would say a “rare exception.” They see everyone else as “takers.”

Immigration, voter suppression, marriage equality and women's rights are all part of the TP's mantra and vision of hatred. When the Tea Partiers talk about “taking my country back”, it means they yearn for a time when white made right.

They think there is a way to return to a time when people of color stayed in their ethnic ghettos and white people had the rest of the country to themselves, and in their minds, everyone got along just fine. Mexicans were content to stay in Mexico, except during harvest season, and there was no need to “push 2 for Spanish.” A women had dinner on the table by six and deferred to her husband at all times, and was judged by how clean she kept her kitchen and how many babies she pushed out. Dad was king of the castle, because he made the money, and because he was the man. And of course, the family spent every Sunday together in church, with neighbors who were just like them.

That vision cannot be accomplished by embracing diversity.

It also means no public schools or college education. No admittance to hospitals beyond the ER. Stop and search and papers on demand with no probable cause besides the officer’s suspicion needed. I’ve even heard no airplane travel mentioned, except “back to where they came from”. They are always quick to add that exception.


The Tea Party vision is to establish a “Christian Country” with a twist. Everyone will be armed with AK-47's.

If they must have public schools, then they want schools where science takes a back seat to Bible studies. Where evolution is given the same weight as creationism. And where bullies are given a pass provided they are motivated by a deeply held religious belief that suspected gay kids should be given swirlies.


Take it BACK? no way in He**.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Because the election was more or less a referendum on social conservatism. America overwhelmingly REJECTED it! They said "we would rather have a war criminal in office than a social conservative!" ).
Yeah, there's no evidence for this. "Social conservatism" (whatever this actually means) is making leaps and bounds in terms of pro-life legislation, for instance. People voted for Obama because they wanted more free stuff and because they viewed Romney as a corporate fat-cat twirling his 1800s robber baron mustache.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Take back America from whom exactly? And, who took it in the first place?

It's become the tag line/mantra for the tea baggers and their ilk. They want to take it back to the 1950's and the pre-Civil Rights era.

The Tea Party has a 'big picture' vision and gay people are not in it. Neither are black people, Hispanic people or outspoken women.

To the Tea Party “acceptable” members of minority groups are an exception. Some of them would say a “rare exception.” They see everyone else as “takers.”

Immigration, voter suppression, marriage equality and women's rights are all part of the TP's mantra and vision of hatred. When the Tea Partiers talk about “taking my country back”, it means they yearn for a time when white made right.

They think there is a way to return to a time when people of color stayed in their ethnic ghettos and white people had the rest of the country to themselves, and in their minds, everyone got along just fine. Mexicans were content to stay in Mexico, except during harvest season, and there was no need to “push 2 for Spanish.” A women had dinner on the table by six and deferred to her husband at all times, and was judged by how clean she kept her kitchen and how many babies she pushed out. Dad was king of the castle, because he made the money, and because he was the man. And of course, the family spent every Sunday together in church, with neighbors who were just like them.

That vision cannot be accomplished by embracing diversity.

It also means no public schools or college education. No admittance to hospitals beyond the ER. Stop and search and papers on demand with no probable cause besides the officer’s suspicion needed. I’ve even heard no airplane travel mentioned, except “back to where they came from”. They are always quick to add that exception.


The Tea Party vision is to establish a “Christian Country” with a twist. Everyone will be armed with AK-47's.

If they must have public schools, then they want schools where science takes a back seat to Bible studies. Where evolution is given the same weight as creationism. And where bullies are given a pass provided they are motivated by a deeply held religious belief that suspected gay kids should be given swirlies.


Take it BACK? no way in He**.
Your shrieking is pretty funny to read, but the Tea Party movement has never really had to do with anything other than fiscal conservatism. No amount of mythologizing can change that fact.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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This is why the Republican Party is in such shambles right now, because there is a large group clinging to the social conservative platform that no one wants any more - it is costing them major elections (seriously, they couldn't beat one of the worst sitting presidents in history during the last election. Want to know why? Because the election was more or less a referendum on social conservatism. America overwhelmingly REJECTED it! They said "we would rather have a war criminal in office than a social conservative!" ).
Our nation needs a third party that is fiscally conservative and preaches simple social responsibility rather than this boneheaded social conservatism. I know many Kennedy Democrats that would vote Republican if the party stood on its small government principles instead of the extremist social conservatism as the Democrat party has also been hijacked as well. A new political party centered on fiscal conservatism and small government would draw many people together from both sides of the aisle.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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as Jay Nordlinger at National Review admits, the term "teabagger" was introduced to the political lexicon by Tea Party movement leaders:
The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.




I remember them storming the state house with their tea bags hanging off their hats.....pretty funny stuff. One would think they would check out the phrase before using it. They knew what it meant and it was okay when it wasn't a name hung around their necks but something they could do to someone else. Now they own it, and need to stop bitching about it.






I use the term teabagger to show them the proper amount of respect I have for them and their ignorant ways, when they get very stupid I refer to them as nutbaggers (double meaning)or sometimes wing-nutbaggers. There is nothing even remotely respectable about what they stand for or what they represent and as such I feel no need to show them much in the way of respect.




Beyond the words "no taxation", there is nothing conservative about the Tea Baggers.


The Tea Party has generally sought to avoid placing too much emphasis on traditional conservative social issues. groups like Glenn Beck's 9/12 Tea Parties, TeaParty.org, the Iowa Tea Party and Delaware Patriot Organizations do act on social issues such as abortion, gun control, prayer in schools, and illegal immigration.
Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 
Old 09-25-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Northern NH
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Originally Posted by buck naked View Post
Take back America from whom exactly? And, who took it in the first place?

It's become the tag line/mantra for the tea baggers and their ilk. They want to take it back to the 1950's and the pre-Civil Rights era.

The Tea Party has a 'big picture' vision and gay people are not in it. Neither are black people, Hispanic people or outspoken women.

To the Tea Party “acceptable” members of minority groups are an exception. Some of them would say a “rare exception.” They see everyone else as “takers.”

Immigration, voter suppression, marriage equality and women's rights are all part of the TP's mantra and vision of hatred. When the Tea Partiers talk about “taking my country back”, it means they yearn for a time when white made right.

They think there is a way to return to a time when people of color stayed in their ethnic ghettos and white people had the rest of the country to themselves, and in their minds, everyone got along just fine. Mexicans were content to stay in Mexico, except during harvest season, and there was no need to “push 2 for Spanish.” A women had dinner on the table by six and deferred to her husband at all times, and was judged by how clean she kept her kitchen and how many babies she pushed out. Dad was king of the castle, because he made the money, and because he was the man. And of course, the family spent every Sunday together in church, with neighbors who were just like them.

That vision cannot be accomplished by embracing diversity.

It also means no public schools or college education. No admittance to hospitals beyond the ER. Stop and search and papers on demand with no probable cause besides the officer’s suspicion needed. I’ve even heard no airplane travel mentioned, except “back to where they came from”. They are always quick to add that exception.


The Tea Party vision is to establish a “Christian Country” with a twist. Everyone will be armed with AK-47's.

If they must have public schools, then they want schools where science takes a back seat to Bible studies. Where evolution is given the same weight as creationism. And where bullies are given a pass provided they are motivated by a deeply held religious belief that suspected gay kids should be given swirlies.


Take it BACK? no way in He**.

Love it !!!
 
Old 09-25-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Originally Posted by buck naked View Post
Take back America from whom exactly? And, who took it in the first place?

It's become the tag line/mantra for the tea baggers and their ilk. They want to take it back to the 1950's and the pre-Civil Rights era.

The Tea Party has a 'big picture' vision and gay people are not in it. Neither are black people, Hispanic people or outspoken women.

To the Tea Party “acceptable” members of minority groups are an exception. Some of them would say a “rare exception.” They see everyone else as “takers.”

Immigration, voter suppression, marriage equality and women's rights are all part of the TP's mantra and vision of hatred. When the Tea Partiers talk about “taking my country back”, it means they yearn for a time when white made right.

They think there is a way to return to a time when people of color stayed in their ethnic ghettos and white people had the rest of the country to themselves, and in their minds, everyone got along just fine. Mexicans were content to stay in Mexico, except during harvest season, and there was no need to “push 2 for Spanish.” A women had dinner on the table by six and deferred to her husband at all times, and was judged by how clean she kept her kitchen and how many babies she pushed out. Dad was king of the castle, because he made the money, and because he was the man. And of course, the family spent every Sunday together in church, with neighbors who were just like them.

That vision cannot be accomplished by embracing diversity.

It also means no public schools or college education. No admittance to hospitals beyond the ER. Stop and search and papers on demand with no probable cause besides the officer’s suspicion needed. I’ve even heard no airplane travel mentioned, except “back to where they came from”. They are always quick to add that exception.


The Tea Party vision is to establish a “Christian Country” with a twist. Everyone will be armed with AK-47's.

If they must have public schools, then they want schools where science takes a back seat to Bible studies. Where evolution is given the same weight as creationism. And where bullies are given a pass provided they are motivated by a deeply held religious belief that suspected gay kids should be given swirlies.


Take it BACK? no way in He**.

If there was an award for the most ignorant man in NH you would win it hands down. Everything you said about the tea party is pure leftist talking points. Just because you have bent over and grabbed your ankles for the mainstream media and the political establishment class does not mean the rest of us are going to follow your lead and your baseless attacks on those who actually think for themselves is nothing short of disgusting.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 10:05 PM
 
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pretty sure you've already won that award.
 
Old 09-26-2013, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, AK
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Smile Awesome!

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Need4Seasons - BTW I have always felt very welcomed in NH.
That is good to hear! Let me know what area you decide on! Keep in touch!
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