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One of the factors people ignore is how moving from hyper-local taxation (through town-assessed property taxes) to a "broad-based" tax collected by the state would work to shift power from the towns to Concord, and thus also shift control over tax levels from your immediate neighbors to the residents of the largest and most political towns in the state.
What happens to the "New Hampshire advantage" the day after sales & income taxes go in, when Manchesterites realize they can vote themselves free money at the expense of the rest of the tax base?
MA would look more desirable probably once that NH advantage goes away. You'd have high home prices, high property tax, sales tax. It would fall apart real fast. And to boot, NH isn't exactly modernized like some parts of the USA are and won't be even when all these taxes kick in.
I haven't kept track but I would imagine people are still looking to move to NH from other places and even plan to vote democrat.
Just wait until you try to turn in your license (from another state) to the NH DMV to get a NH license. If you think you know all about what bureaucracy & what dealing with mean bureaucrats is like, wait 'til you move to NH & have to get a NH license. Makes dealing with the Mass. RMV look like a dream.
BTW, to all of the bash-ers of those "horrible people, who move here from Mass.", did'ja ever think that they move here b/c they're sick of high prices in MA? Want a better quality of life? And how much do you think they contribute to the NH economy, with property taxes, etc? And who in their right mind wants a sales tax, when no sales tax is part of the appeal?
Our son moved to NH a few years ago and the dmv was a breeze compared to Mass.
As far as the " horrible people from Mass " there are many but I hope I am not one
Woody, I don't think anybody was bashing people from MA; quite the contrary, I think most people in this thread welcome people from MA or any other state, so long as their intention is to enjoy NH how it is, or help keep it awesome. The criticism is towards those whose intention is to move here and then work to change NH to resemble the state that they just came from. (By wanting a sales tax, income tax, gun control, more government services, etc.)
BTW I disagree with comments about DMV. NH is the fifth DMV I've had to deal with, and it is by far the best experience of any I've had!
For all the people who come on here saying they're going to move to NH and don't want to change things and raise taxes, half of them will be agitating for just that once they get here. Witness the remarks here about the DMV, modernizing the state, and putting partisan politics above the budget and tax issues.
The only constant in our world is change. You can never go home anymore and you can't have things remain static. The world is going to change. Communities change. States change. The way you can incorporate the change into ur lives will make us either happy or turn us into curmudgeons.
There is a lot of positive about New Hampshire. A whole lot. Despite its problems, it's first in quality of life in the entire nation. It's in the top five overall when it comes to opportunity, access to health care, quality of housing, personal income, education and overall health of its population. So compared to the rest of the nation, our little state is doing quite well.
We live in New London and find our town to be heavenly. Truly so. Go by the local college or drive downtown and you'll see unlocked bicycles on the racks. Despite the rule of incivility that permeates our national dialogue, people are quite civil here indeed.
Our town is very purple. And bipartisan. Our local State House Representative, a Democrat, endorsed some Republicans for office. Because both the representative and the folks who were endorsed, are eminently qualified and superbly competent. And they adhere to civil behavior in a way that the rest of the nation does not. By the way, Congressman Cleveland whom you mentioned, was from here. And a lot of his progeny has changed party allegiance. I will state that the day the old Republican Party joined the social conservatives in the South and began espousing values anathema to the values of mutual respect that are the core of New England, it was the day the state starting on a purple route. They may be as fiscally conservative as they were 50 years ago. But they detest social conservatism.
New Hampshire is the second least church going state in the union. By and large, to whom you pray, or if you pray, in the way you pray, or not pray, believe or non believe, is no one else's business. I don't give a rat's behind who you love, or go to bed with, or not, or marry, or live in common law with. And I resent anyone shoving religion anywhere within a mile of me.
We have a healthy friction between the old timers and the newcomers. And it ends up being a positive rather than a negative.
I don't think you'll see an income tax in New Hampshire any time soon.
In short, not all is gloom and doom. We have an amazing state. Amazing communities. Amazing art and museums and way of life. It's a great place to live.
The only constant in our world is change. You can never go home anymore and you can't have things remain static. The world is going to change. Communities change. States change. The way you can incorporate the change into ur lives will make us either happy or turn us into curmudgeons.
There is a lot of positive about New Hampshire. A whole lot. Despite its problems, it's first in quality of life in the entire nation. It's in the top five overall when it comes to opportunity, access to health care, quality of housing, personal income, education and overall health of its population. So compared to the rest of the nation, our little state is doing quite well.
We live in New London and find our town to be heavenly. Truly so. Go by the local college or drive downtown and you'll see unlocked bicycles on the racks. Despite the rule of incivility that permeates our national dialogue, people are quite civil here indeed.
Our town is very purple. And bipartisan. Our local State House Representative, a Democrat, endorsed some Republicans for office. Because both the representative and the folks who were endorsed, are eminently qualified and superbly competent. And they adhere to civil behavior in a way that the rest of the nation does not. By the way, Congressman Cleveland whom you mentioned, was from here. And a lot of his progeny has changed party allegiance. I will state that the day the old Republican Party joined the social conservatives in the South and began espousing values anathema to the values of mutual respect that are the core of New England, it was the day the state starting on a purple route. They may be as fiscally conservative as they were 50 years ago. But they detest social conservatism.
New Hampshire is the second least church going state in the union. By and large, to whom you pray, or if you pray, in the way you pray, or not pray, believe or non believe, is no one else's business. I don't give a rat's behind who you love, or go to bed with, or not, or marry, or live in common law with. And I resent anyone shoving religion anywhere within a mile of me.
We have a healthy friction between the old timers and the newcomers. And it ends up being a positive rather than a negative.
I don't think you'll see an income tax in New Hampshire any time soon.
In short, not all is gloom and doom. We have an amazing state. Amazing communities. Amazing art and museums and way of life. It's a great place to live.
The homosexual/transgender movement is a religion, evolution is a religion, Feminism is a religion, gun control is a religion, socialism is a religion , atheism is a religion, all of which are shoved at you everyday.
The homosexual/transgender movement is a religion, evolution is a religion, Feminism is a religion, gun control is a religion, socialism is a religion , atheism is a religion, all of which are shoved at you everyday.
And your point is? So let's take you at face value: Capitalism is a religion, Libertarianism is a religion, Football is a religion and of course, how many times do you get preachers come to your door? All of which are shoved at you every day. So are commercials. So are ads on the internet. Does that make them religion?
Woody, I don't think anybody was bashing people from MA; quite the contrary, I think most people in this thread welcome people from MA or any other state, so long as their intention is to enjoy NH how it is, or help keep it awesome. The criticism is towards those whose intention is to move here and then work to change NH to resemble the state that they just came from. (By wanting a sales tax, income tax, gun control, more government services, etc.)
People moving from MA to NH don't concern me that much. MA is fairly well run for a heavily populated place. It is that population density that contributes to it being so different from New Hampshire. I believe there is a social bond between people from Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts. CT people moving to New Hampshire worries me though. CT is so screwed up politically and socially that I believe even those people from CT who disagree with its current conditions are psychologically contaminated by it. It is that social contamination and exposure that is a risk to New Hampshire. CT is also influenced by New York which is bad in and of itself.
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BTW I disagree with comments about DMV. NH is the fifth DMV I've had to deal with, and it is by far the best experience of any I've had!
I second your comments LeviDunn about the NH DMV. I can't even remember much about the process of turning in my MA license for my first NH license. There was no stress, no struggle, not even a wait. It was one of the easiest interactions with government I have ever experienced. I made the exchange in the Salem DMV office and it entailed entering the building and talking to a woman behind the counter.
And your point is? So let's take you at face value: Capitalism is a religion, Libertarianism is a religion, Football is a religion and of course, how many times do you get preachers come to your door? All of which are shoved at you every day. So are commercials. So are ads on the internet. Does that make them religion?
If you missed the point , then there is nothing I can do to help you.
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