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Old 12-01-2020, 06:35 AM
 
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I saw a recent conference in which the Governor, and the health "officials" were describing covid-19 numbers and that a possible mask mandate would be considered, plus the fact they were stating that they had vaccine plans way back from March from when the pandemic started.

See here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhpDgrh6PI

I hope you guys will fight as this state seems like it's going the way of VT vs the way of the people. This vaccine is bad news, it alters the genetics of your cells via MRNA.
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Old 12-01-2020, 06:44 AM
 
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This vaccine is bad news, it alters the genetics of your cells via MRNA.
Not quite...

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN22U2BZ
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Old 12-01-2020, 07:00 AM
 
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We'll reuters said it , so its settled then!

https://humansarefree.com/2020/08/do...echnology.html

Doctor Expresses Concern Over Transhumanism and New mRNA and DNA Vaccine Technology
HAFHAFAugust 26, 2020

Editor’s Note to Fact-Checkers: We are presenting this information for our audience in the interest of informed medical consent.

The doctor mentioned here is a credible, reputable professional who expresses factual and well-documented information in support of her concern over this issue. With her video are numerous references.

The science on mRNA and DNA vaccines is most definitely not settled, not even by Moderna, the leading developer in the race for a Covid vaccine, who has directly stated that there is a real possibility that this new class of vaccines may permanently alter human DNA. They just don’t yet know.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html

mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown

There are currently no licensed mRNA vaccines in the United States.

Go ahead and take it because Reuters said so don't look up Bill Gates connection to Moderna, also Fauci's company. Remember corporations are people and they care about us common folk. Let's also forget about that we've quarantined the healthy populations of this world for the first time ever.
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Old 12-01-2020, 07:56 AM
 
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Thumbs down Nothing in that video about a "future mask mandate"

Where does that video mention any "future mask mandate"?

Looking at the conspiracy theorists and contrarians who are freaking out about masks and mandates doesn't exactly drive me to support their over-reaction to the governor's actions so far.

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The science on mRNA and DNA vaccines is most definitely not settled, not even by Moderna, the leading developer in the race for a Covid vaccine, who has directly stated that there is a real possibility that this new class of vaccines may permanently alter human DNA. They just don’t yet know.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html

mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown

There are currently no licensed mRNA vaccines in the United States.

Go ahead and take it because Reuters said so don't look up Bill Gates connection to Moderna, also Fauci's company. Remember corporations are people and they care about us common folk. Let's also forget about that we've quarantined the healthy populations of this world for the first time ever.
Funny how that CDC link doesn't say what you suggest it does about the possibility any existing/proposed mRNA vaccine for Covid may permanently alter human DNA.

Going wild with conspiracy theories about Bill Gates and vaccines and corporations is not a good way to get people to even consider your arguments as rational, much less agree.


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I hope you guys will fight as this state seems like it's going the way of VT vs the way of the people.
I don't like some of Sununu's actions/timing in dealing with the pandemic, but overall he has done a good job with New Hampshire's response, and I'm going to give the governor the benefit of the doubt up until the day he actually proposes mandatory vaccination for the general population (not just health care workers -- that train left the station with the flu vaccine and RSA § 151:9-b about fifteen years ago).

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:19 AM
 
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Nothing in that video about a "mask mandate".

Looking at the conspiracy theorists and contrarians who are freaking out about masks and mandates doesn't exactly drive me to support their over-reaction to the governor's actions so far.
Do you even research anything on your own?


https://www.governor.nh.gov/sites/g/...y-order-74.pdf

According to the order, everyone within the state over the age of five must wear facial coverings while in public, both outside and indoors, "where they are unable to or do not consistently maintain a physical distance of at least six feet from persons outside their own households."

The order is set to remain in place through Jan. 15.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...ng-term-649253

“There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risks,” Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital, told The Jerusalem Post.
When Moderna was just finishing its Phase I trial, The Independent wrote about the vaccine and described it this way: “It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”

^ sounds totally good to me

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...liament-floor/

People are doing these things just because they are bored

https://newspunch.com/white-house-pe...5k-signatures/



From the governors mouth: https://twitter.com/GovChrisSununu/s...18909880475648

But to those who are opposed to this – I want to make something very clear:

Instituting this mask mandate today will allow us to keep our economy open and helps ensure our health care system has the capacity and workforce it needs in the coming weeks.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/11...pitalizations/

https://www.businessinsider.com/chri...andate-2020-11

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/6355314002/

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:34 AM
 
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For anyone interested, there are genetic engineering companies working on therapies that really do change the patient's DNA to "cure" a genetic disease. E.g.,

CRISPR Therapeutics AG
Editas Medicine, Inc.
Intellia Therapeutics, Inc.
Beam Therapeutics Inc.

Some are in early human trials and having success. Moderna, however, is not using this technology.

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:37 AM
 
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Question That was two weeks ago, what's actually "news" about a "future mask mandate"?

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Do you even research anything on your own?
That was two weeks ago, what's actually "news" about the mask mandate?

I'm all for "research", but browsing jpost/gatewaypundit/newspunch is more akin to doomsurfing than legitimate research.

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“There is a race to get the public vaccinated, so we are willing to take more risks,” Tal Brosh, head of the Infectious Disease Unit at Samson Assuta Ashdod Hospital, told The Jerusalem Post.
When Moderna was just finishing its Phase I trial, The Independent wrote about the vaccine and described it this way: “It uses a sequence of genetic RNA material produced in a lab that, when injected into your body, must invade your cells and hijack your cells’ protein-making machinery called ribosomes to produce the viral components that subsequently train your immune system to fight the virus.”
That still doesn't support the claim that mRNA vaccine currently under consideration would "permanently alter human DNA"


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For anyone interested, there are genetic engineering companies working on therapies that really do change the patient's DNA to "cure" a genetic disease. E.g.,

CRISPR Therapeutics AG
Editas Medicine, Inc.
Intellia Therapeutics, Inc.
Beam Therapeutics Inc.

Gee, none of these sites are the Jerusalem Post nor GatewayPundit. Weird...


Some are in early human trials and having success. Moderna, however, is not using this technology.
See, now that's research... and legitimately terrifying.
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:47 AM
 
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That was two weeks ago, what's actually "news" about the mask mandate?

I'm all for "research", but browsing jpost/gatewaypundit/newspunch is more akin to doomsurfing than legitimate research.

That still doesn't support the claim that mRNA would "permanently alter human DNA"
Where is your "legitimate" research that shows us that everything is just ice cream and cherries with the vaccines?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA

In molecular biology, messenger RNA is a single-stranded molecule of RNA that corresponds to the genetic sequence of a gene and is read by a ribosome in the process of synthesizing a protein. Transcription is when RNA is made from DNA. During transcription, RNA polymerase makes a copy of a gene from the DNA to mRNA as needed.


“DNA vaccine work began thirty years ago, but as yet there are no licensed DNA vaccines and most remain in Phase 1 testing.

The key challenge associated with DNA vaccines is that they must penetrate the cell nucleus (crossing two membranes; the cytoplasm and the nucleus). The DNA must then be transcribed in the nucleus into mRNA before moving to the cytoplasm to stimulate antigen production. This core complex pathway often requires both larger doses and special, often painful delivery devices using electric shocks or gold microspheres into person’s skin to deliver the DNA vaccine.

[Page 3 Paragraph 4 from Moderna!]


Once inside the nucleus, DNA vaccines have a risk of permanently changing a person’s DNA.” [https://www.modernatx.com/sites/defa...0317_v8_4.pdf]




I love how people back corporations that can't cure the AIDS virus, but Corona, we've figured it out in record time.

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:51 AM
 
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Getting the vaccine will be voluntary for most people so don’t get it if you are afraid. Being in a high risk group and just losing a friend to it I will be taking my chances.
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Old 12-01-2020, 09:47 AM
 
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Exclamation Conflating different technologies by mashing together sentences to change their meaning is not research

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Where is your "legitimate" research that shows us that everything is just ice cream and cherries with the vaccines?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA

In molecular biology, messenger RNA is a single-stranded molecule of RNA that corresponds to the genetic sequence of a gene and is read by a ribosome in the process of synthesizing a protein. Transcription is when RNA is made from DNA. During transcription, RNA polymerase makes a copy of a gene from the DNA to mRNA as needed.


“DNA vaccine work began thirty years ago, but as yet there are no licensed DNA vaccines and most remain in Phase 1 testing.

The key challenge associated with DNA vaccines is that they must penetrate the cell nucleus (crossing two membranes; the cytoplasm and the nucleus). The DNA must then be transcribed in the nucleus into mRNA before moving to the cytoplasm to stimulate antigen production. This core complex pathway often requires both larger doses and special, often painful delivery devices using electric shocks or gold microspheres into person’s skin to deliver the DNA vaccine.

[Page 3 Paragraph 4 from Moderna!]


Once inside the nucleus, DNA vaccines have a risk of permanently changing a person’s DNA.” [https://www.modernatx.com/sites/defa...0317_v8_4.pdf]
Speaking of cherries, that is cherry-picking sentences from various documents and then conflating propsed DNA vaccines with the actual mRNA vaccine; if you actually read Page 3 of the document you so helpfully linked above, the document clearly says DNA & mRNA vaccines are not even close to being the same thing:


You're mixing apples and oranges to make a rather off-kilter fruit salad.
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