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GregW is right on. Many wood burners such as the one pasted below are selfish and ignorant as well as uncaring of others:
Oh my! My poor little lungs are going to collapse because my next door neighbor is burning wood in his fireplace! I am going to call the authorities and report him. That is such a big no no! Cough Cough! Ouch I think my Adam's Apple is getting infected!
This is a demented mentality and foolish comment. Thank God you are NOT MY neighbor. If I idled a diesel truck in your yard, under your bedroom window, and the fumes infiltrated your home causing annoyance and illness - would you live with it? If your or your kids poor little lungs or adam's apple became irritated or infected or worse - if they were hospitalized for an asthma attack because of my actions - would YOU turn the other cheek and shut your mouth? I doubt it. WOOD BURNERS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES YELLING "UNCLE" IF THEY WERE BEING AFFECTED!!!
Go burn your damn wood but do it in the hills where it's not going to hurt your neighbors. What the hell is wrong with you people? Can't you see how many people are being affected by your actions? What gives YOU the right to put smoke into everyone else's air just because YOU WANT TO BURN WOOD? Do you own the air? NO you don't so shut up and keep your damn smoke in YOUR OWN YARD. Why not VENT IT INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM so you can enjoy what you're doing to us!!!! You're so saturated with tobacco and wood smoke you probably wouldn't know clean air when you smelled it IF you can even smell anymore with wood smoke dead noses. You all make me sick. I am so tired of fighting to breathe clean air and listening to your BS about us being left wing or taking rights away.
Grow up!
Sounds like you need to live in the city where there is no wood burning, or better yet in California where there's plenty of laws. I'll be in the hills burning wood in my EPA certified wood burning fireplace insert, keeping my house warm when the power goes out while you freeze waiting for the government to pass a law outlawing power outages so you can stay warm.
You like heating your house with oil, giving your hard earned money to folks like Hugo Chavez and Saudi's who then transfer our money to terrorists who blow up my brothers and sisters in roadside bombs? I'd rather heat my house with that "damn" wood that I bought locally - I will be living next to an 88 acre selectively harvested woodlot. I don't think that guy is funding the Taliban or Al Queda with my money. He'll just plant more trees and make more oxygen that you and I can breathe.
What's with the tobacco comment? Do all people who burn wood also smoke? Do we also have cars on cement blocks on our overgrown lawns and sit on our porch and smoke in our overalls? Give me a freakin break....
Sounds like you are the type of neighbor that would complain about just about anything that affected your little bubble of tranquility. I've lived next to people like you, and it's a PITA. Examples? Maybe you don't like the color I painted my shed, or my porch light is too bright, or the fact that you don't like the condition of your neighbor's mobile home that has been there 20 years before you bought your house. If you live in a rural location with limited zoning/government enforcement, you accept that you may not have control over everything your neighbors do. If you want that kind of control, live in a cookie cutter development with lots of covenents and restrictions. That might fit you better.
Sounds like you've had a bad experience with an irresponsible wood burner. Don't paint all people who burn wood like that. There are steps you can take to deal with the irresponsible few. Don't turn NH into somewhere like California where I can't fart without a permit.
As you said, "Thank God you are NOT MY neighbor." Right back at you...
CV - My lungs just happen to be very sensitive to particulate pollution. I do not own a fireplace for very good reasons. I do not object to you owning and using one so long as the emissions do not concentrate to the level that causes me breathing difficulty. Then I become concerned. Your right to do something for your benefit ends at the point it damages me just as my rights are restricted in a similar manner. These restrictions are part of living in any society.
This limitation on individual rights is not a "left wing" thing. It is a very individual thing in that a government restriction on damaging pollution allows me to avoid a l confrontation with the source of the pollution. That is about a right wing as you can get.
If my child or myself were being harmed by your actions I would not move to Venezuela but my lawsuit (lawsuits are a way of avoiding other things) would force you to stop and to pay for any damages you did. This is what “Live Free or Die” means. It means live free but be responsible for what you do. Most RW extremists like you avoid the responsibility part.
I guess you can take the boy out of Connecticut, but you can't take the blue blooded liberalism out of the boy. Makes a person wonder why you moved away. Maybe it was the liberal policies that made/make CT unlivable on many fronts.
How did we go from this:
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Unrelated to wood smoke and tree cutting but a sobering reply to dognh: The government is coming to everyone's property now - taking over. They will soon own all of us. How do you know what they will do or demand next?
To this?
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Originally Posted by Victoriasky
GregW is right on. Many wood burners such as the one pasted below are selfish and ignorant as well as uncaring of others:
Oh my! My poor little lungs are going to collapse because my next door neighbor is burning wood in his fireplace! I am going to call the authorities and report him. That is such a big no no! Cough Cough! Ouch I think my Adam's Apple is getting infected!
This is a demented mentality and foolish comment. Thank God you are NOT MY neighbor. If I idled a diesel truck in your yard, under your bedroom window, and the fumes infiltrated your home causing annoyance and illness - would you live with it? If your or your kids poor little lungs or adam's apple became irritated or infected or worse - if they were hospitalized for an asthma attack because of my actions - would YOU turn the other cheek and shut your mouth? I doubt it. WOOD BURNERS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES YELLING "UNCLE" IF THEY WERE BEING AFFECTED!!!
Go burn your damn wood but do it in the hills where it's not going to hurt your neighbors. What the hell is wrong with you people? Can't you see how many people are being affected by your actions? What gives YOU the right to put smoke into everyone else's air just because YOU WANT TO BURN WOOD? Do you own the air? NO you don't so shut up and keep your damn smoke in YOUR OWN YARD. Why not VENT IT INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM so you can enjoy what you're doing to us!!!! You're so saturated with tobacco and wood smoke you probably wouldn't know clean air when you smelled it IF you can even smell anymore with wood smoke dead noses. You all make me sick. I am so tired of fighting to breathe clean air and listening to your BS about us being left wing or taking rights away.
Grow up!
Well I guess everyone is entitle to their opinion - what scares me is you have a vote.
Are you in CA choking on smog thinking fireplaces did that all the while being ignorant to the landscape and air currents around you? Have you ever been to NH or any other part of New England? LOL Three of my close neighbors all burn including myself. I don't think I've EVER choked. LOL I kind of enjoy the light wisp of wood smoke in the air...makes the seasons feel "right".
Besides, I thought all you earth worshiping folks were all about renewable energy? That would include wood.
I just finished loading my front porch with wood from the outside. Much of the wood I'm using was from trimming trees on my property last summer. It was 22 degrees this morning in the Sunapee area. With the woodstove going it's nice and toasty inside.
I can't imagine a cold winter's night in New England without the warmth of a fireplace/woodstove to help fight the chill. Last spring's cap and trade legislation had language in it that could be interpreted as making most fireplaces illegal.
My in-laws in the hills above Littleton burn a substantial amount of wood in the winter. The smoke is well dispersed before it can disturb me or their neighbors. I do not object to burning wood for fuel in a manner that minimizes pollution that can damage people. I was stating a case about what I would do if I were being damaged by an irresponsible wood fuel user.
JV - I am in no way a blue blood and my liberalism is limited to my economics. Besides I did not grow up in Connecticut. I was a child in Upstate NY. But I grew up in one year in 'Nam and lived for a few years in Connecticut afterward before moving to New Hampshire.
GregW is right on. Many wood burners such as the one pasted below are selfish and ignorant as well as uncaring of others:
Oh my! My poor little lungs are going to collapse because my next door neighbor is burning wood in his fireplace! I am going to call the authorities and report him. That is such a big no no! Cough Cough! Ouch I think my Adam's Apple is getting infected!
This is a demented mentality and foolish comment. Thank God you are NOT MY neighbor. If I idled a diesel truck in your yard, under your bedroom window, and the fumes infiltrated your home causing annoyance and illness - would you live with it? If your or your kids poor little lungs or adam's apple became irritated or infected or worse - if they were hospitalized for an asthma attack because of my actions - would YOU turn the other cheek and shut your mouth? I doubt it. WOOD BURNERS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES YELLING "UNCLE" IF THEY WERE BEING AFFECTED!!!
Go burn your damn wood but do it in the hills where it's not going to hurt your neighbors. What the hell is wrong with you people? Can't you see how many people are being affected by your actions? What gives YOU the right to put smoke into everyone else's air just because YOU WANT TO BURN WOOD? Do you own the air? NO you don't so shut up and keep your damn smoke in YOUR OWN YARD. Why not VENT IT INTO YOUR LIVING ROOM so you can enjoy what you're doing to us!!!! You're so saturated with tobacco and wood smoke you probably wouldn't know clean air when you smelled it IF you can even smell anymore with wood smoke dead noses. You all make me sick. I am so tired of fighting to breathe clean air and listening to your BS about us being left wing or taking rights away.
Grow up!
Modern woodstoves don't put out too much pollution. A rumford fireplace also does not pollute much. You rarely even see the smoke coming out of the chimney with the better ones.
Car pollution is much more toxic, as is burning oil (diesel fuel actually) for heat.
Look who is in Power and You will Understand Why there are more Regulations or Restrictions
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Originally Posted by MtnFlyer
It's something I would expect out of California, but apparently it's being enforced in areas of Colorado which surprised me as well. Glad to hear it's not happening in New Hampshire.
Sadly for Colorado, many left wing communist leaning democrats have been elected to office. Where ever these Democrats Govern you are certain to see countless regulations and higher taxes!
It is all about power and controlling the masses. For instance the control of Wood Burning is one way to control your life and your comfort. It is completely absurd to have fanatical laws like these. As one poster mentioned, California will actually fine you and even throw you in jail for burning wood on a non burning day. And these Communists have empowered a huge bureaucracy like Acorn,that is funding by millions of dollars of our hard earned money.
Burn all he wood you want and do not believe this crap aboout how it has a high particulate affect!
A properly operated, EPA certified wood burning stove or fireplace is a responsible way to safely, efficiently burn wood. I'm sorry, but you can't live in a world free of particulates. Your car emits them, the trucks that move the stuff we buy all over the country emits them, your furnace emits them, nature emits them (volcanos, dust storms, etc.).
Why are EPA certified wood burning appliance exempt from "burn bans" in almost all areas? Because they're very clean compared to their predecessors and don't contribute any more to air quality in a given area than vehicle emissions.
The key is to responsibly employ the best equipment in a responsible way, especially in areas where neighbors may be impacted because of proximity or topography. Don't let the irresponsible wood burner horror story exception be the rule for all wood burners...
In the wintertime, fire particulate matter becomes the pollutant with the greatest impact on air quality. Fire particulates can bypass the body’s natural defenses, penetrating deeply into the lungs and even passing into the bloodstream. Prolonged exposure to the fine particulates in wood smoke has been linked with aggravated asthma, lung and heart disease, and increased mortality rates. Wood burning fireplaces emit many times more pollutions than EPA-certified Gasification boilers.
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