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Pretty sad if you ask me about these people losing their jobs,maybe Camden wants that #1 ranking as the most dangerous city in the U.S.A.The firefighters that got their layoff notice,I just think that's wrong.Police?,I have a mixed opinion about that.They have the State Police,Rutgers Police,Detectives,undercover agents patrolling the streets & most recently the Guardian Angels.A lot of the drug dealers are not afraid of the Camden Police,because they deal in front of them sometimes,but when State Police are there in the "well known" areas,dealers will "close up shop",maybe if some Camden police did what they're suppose to do,the city might be safer.There's been so much corruption in that city over the last 20+yrs,that doesn't help today's situation.
well, when you have a large percentage of unemployed and no tax paying residents how can you expect to support so many cops and firefighters? The union decided they would rather lay off more cops then to keep more on and take a pay cut. Brilliant.
IMO when you see cities/towns laying off cops and firefighters it is simply a ploy to make the citizens outraged enough to stomach a tax increase or lobby for more state money. I imagine if any of us went through the City of Camden's budget, we could find a way to keep every last one of those cops and firemen employed.
IMO when you see cities/towns laying off cops and firefighters it is simply a ploy to make the citizens outraged enough to stomach a tax increase or lobby for more state money. I imagine if any of us went through the City of Camden's budget, we could find a way to keep every last one of those cops and firemen employed.
Yes and No.
The city is trying to balance the budget or live within its budget. The police union is the one unwilling to make concessions to keep other cops employeed. The unions logic is if we stand firm and cause enough of an outrage they will eventually find the money to pay us and hence we won't have to give up anything... Versus taking a freeze in pay and copays increases. (Their concessions are not insane like the initial reports of 20% paycuts, yet they refused)
I also think it is a disgrace that all the cops laid off were the youngest ones. WTF! Shouldn't it be based on the most effective cops? Not who was hired first BS! I hate when the first factor in laying off is seniority. It should be the last factor and not the first.
The city is trying to balance the budget or live within its budget. The police union is the one unwilling to make concessions to keep other cops employeed. The unions logic is if we stand firm and cause enough of an outrage they will eventually find the money to pay us and hence we won't have to give up anything... Versus taking a freeze in pay and copays increases. (Their concessions are not insane like the initial reports of 20% paycuts, yet they refused)
I also think it is a disgrace that all the cops laid off were the youngest ones. WTF! Shouldn't it be based on the most effective cops? Not who was hired first BS! I hate when the first factor in laying off is seniority. It should be the last factor and not the first.
I agree that the police union certainly has a hand in this as well. IMO they had a responsibility to do the right thing for their members and that includes their safety. They argue that the city will be less safe with fewer police and response times will increase. Well, that holds true for the cops on the street as well. It is more dangerous to be a cop in Camden today then it was yesterday.
I know that the state took 'em over before Gwendolyn Faison became mayor. Are they still in that status?
No, the city is no longer directly managed by the state. Direct control ended on January 18th of this year and there is no longer a director that can veto the mayor and council. The police department is still run by the state, but through proxy where things like internal affairs and high ranking officers are cleared by the state. The state police also patrols Camden. The school system is essentially state controlled as it is an Abbott District.
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No, the city is no longer directly managed by the state. Direct control ended on January 18th of this year and there is no longer a director that can veto the mayor and council. The police department is still run by the state, but through proxy where things like internal affairs and high ranking officers are cleared by the state. The state police also patrols Camden. The school system is essentially state controlled as it is an Abbott District.
Thanks, Goat.
This is just bad beyond words, not just for Camden, but the whole area.
Some of the things the city wanted to do to bring back half the cops,the union voted 300-1 against it.
18 furlough days,wage freezes are a few of them.The state of N.J. has a lot of these things in affect,the state employees still have a job though!!In this economy today,furlough days & wage freezes are very common,it's called making a sacrifice in order to keep your job!,now they are in the unemployment line!!Good luck finding another job,thanks to the union!!
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