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Old 11-24-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Atlantic city's biggest problem is the dwindling tax base and a HUGE municipal budget of $261 million.

Yes they needed more emergency services to support the number of visitors, but its possible that a lot of political fat got in the mix. A lot.

Deptford: 31,000 residents. Muni Budget of $32 million
Deptford releases preliminary 2014 municipal budget, projects tax rate increase | NJ.com

Atlantic City: 39,000 residents Muni budge of $261 million
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/local-finance-board-approves-atlantic-city-budget-with-tax-increase/article_f52308ee-2337-11e4-b5a2-0019bb2963f4.html


In AC taxes are up 50% in 5 years or so. 29% last year.

As the $2 billion dollar casinos get resold at $100 million.. and 5 or 6 do that... establishes new values for all casinos and wipes billions off the ratables...

how does the city maintain a 1/4 billion budget? Homeowners ready to pay $50,000 a year in taxes?

Something I never hear mentioned regarding NJ Casinos is the tax burden.
If I am a casino corporation and can afford to have 5 casinos in the US (as an example) do I run one in the south where taxes are dirt cheap, or in NJ where...


EDIT: Btw the Stockton College purchase of Showboat could completely remove the taxes from the casino... being an education facility. I would hope tho that if the school keeps a portion as an operating hotel that the hotel portion would still pay taxes
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Old 11-24-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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Atlantic city's biggest problem is the dwindling tax base and a HUGE municipal budget of $261 million.

Yes they needed more emergency services to support the number of visitors, but its possible that a lot of political fat got in the mix. A lot.

Deptford: 31,000 residents. Muni Budget of $32 million
Deptford releases preliminary 2014 municipal budget, projects tax rate increase | NJ.com

Atlantic City: 39,000 residents Muni budge of $261 million
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/local-finance-board-approves-atlantic-city-budget-with-tax-increase/article_f52308ee-2337-11e4-b5a2-0019bb2963f4.html


In AC taxes are up 50% in 5 years or so. 29% last year.

As the $2 billion dollar casinos get resold at $100 million.. and 5 or 6 do that... establishes new values for all casinos and wipes billions off the ratables...

how does the city maintain a 1/4 billion budget? Homeowners ready to pay $50,000 a year in taxes?

Something I never hear mentioned regarding NJ Casinos is the tax burden.
If I am a casino corporation and can afford to have 5 casinos in the US (as an example) do I run one in the south where taxes are dirt cheap, or in NJ where...


EDIT: Btw the Stockton College purchase of Showboat could completely remove the taxes from the casino... being an education facility. I would hope tho that if the school keeps a portion as an operating hotel that the hotel portion would still pay taxes
You can't compare taxes paid by, say, Harrahs in AC with Harrahs Cherokee in NC. Harrahs Cherokee is on a reservation. It's not the same thing at all.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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The last thing anybody in NJ needs is a tax increase.
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Old 11-24-2014, 05:07 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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I still believe the state is going in the wrong direction by trying to convert AC into a family friendly resort. It's blighted and unsafe, AC would NEVER succeed as a place to bring your kids.
It did once, why can't it again?

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Old 11-24-2014, 06:25 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I'm looking forward to my Thanksgiving weekend in Atlantic City. I was last there more than 6 months ago.

It will be interesting to see the situation for myself and maybe make an appraisal of AC's decline and fall.

The bottom line, I think, is that Maryland and Pennsylvania stole the customers, and so did Connecticut by luring away a good chunk the NYC market.
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Old 11-24-2014, 11:06 PM
 
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It did once, why can't it again?
It's a dump, and it's only going to get worse. Why bring your kids there when you have Ocean City anyway?
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:49 AM
 
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It's a dump, and it's only going to get worse. Why bring your kids there when you have Ocean City anyway?
That doesn't answer my question at all.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:12 AM
 
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It can't be a family place again because it is in competition with too many other places... Amusement parks, water parks, destination places like Ocean city, MD, or Lancaster, PA, etc..
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:52 AM
 
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It can't be a family place again because it is in competition with too many other places... Amusement parks, water parks, destination places like Ocean city, MD, or Lancaster, PA, etc..
That's still a non-starter. Atlantic City wasn't the only ball game in town before 1967. To clarify, I'm not saying it would be easy for AC to revitalize. In fact, I'd agree the odds are stacked against it. But simply saying, "AC is doomed to failure because reasons," doesn't cut it in my book.

Re: recent developments, I think it's very savvy of Stockton to place a campus there. AC may be rough around the edges, but considering how desolate Pomona/Galloway are, simply having things to do is a huge step up.
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Old 11-25-2014, 07:45 AM
 
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You can't compare taxes paid by, say, Harrahs in AC with Harrahs Cherokee in NC. Harrahs Cherokee is on a reservation. It's not the same thing at all.

thanks. Didn't think I was.

My point was specifically that NJ taxes being high are a real cost to any business.. home sales also. Enough to make a business consider where it will spend its dollars.
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