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Old 11-25-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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It's a dump, and it's only going to get worse. Why bring your kids there when you have Ocean City anyway?

I disagree. The statement is dismissive. As if Ocean City is elegant and luxurious!

The Borgata is a dump? The Marina District is a dump? Even the shopping outlet stores are maintained and attractive.

The boardwalk is at worst, tacky. There are some rundown residential blocks.

I am not a gambler and have no reason to defend AC, except every time I go there I have a good time.
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Old 11-25-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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thanks. Didn't think I was.

My point was specifically that NJ taxes being high are a real cost to any business.. home sales also. Enough to make a business consider where it will spend its dollars.
You specifically compared taxes in the South to NJ. My point is that Southern casinos are on Indian reservations. Also, taxing structures vary by state as well as wages. The real competition to Atlantic City isn't in the South. It's in Philly, Chester, Delaware Park, not to mention Mohegan Sun & other casinos that have been draining off the NYC & New England crowd for years.

I voted for casinos in Atlantic City. The legislature later enlarged the area for casinos out of greed. AC hit Vegas in the gut. They had to diversify. The original intention of the casinos was to provide jobs to replace the lost high-end tourism caused by mill closures etc. in Philly. They imploded beautiful old hotels to build casinos. They should have been trying to diversify for years. The day that Ed Rendell was elected governor they should have started in ernest. Fast Eddie made his plans clear when he was mayor of Philadelphia.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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thanks. Didn't think I was.

My point was specifically that NJ taxes being high are a real cost to any business.. home sales also. Enough to make a business consider where it will spend its dollars.
I don't think taxes have anything to do with it. Revel got all kinds of tax gifts from Christie, including a 261 million dollar rebate, and it didn't make any difference at all. Borgata, which is not getting tax breaks however, is thriving and has been profitable.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:10 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I don't think taxes have anything to do with it. Revel got all kinds of tax gifts from Christie, including a 261 million dollar rebate, and it didn't make any difference at all. Borgata, which is not getting tax breaks however, is thriving and has been profitable.
But, But, But..................... Taxes.
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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The problems with AC at least are not caused by the overall economy. AC is having it's gaming market stolen by new casinos that are much closer to what used to be AC customer base. There is essentially no reason for anyone from metro Philadelphia to drive to AC to gamble. There's now a casino is Delaware that is much closer for people coming from the south. The PA casinos are actually more convenient for people from NYC metro I live in NYC and just did a day trip to Sands Bethlehem to play poker. The CT indian casinos have taken the northern market for a long time now.

NY just legalized gambling. There are already some slot barns (not full/real casinos in and around NYC.) The first bunch were supposed to be upstate. But some of the developers are surfing the fine print in the law, and are trying to get a casino in Orange County, as close to NYC as possible. This is also very close to northern NJ, and will catch a lot of that business

At one time AC had the north east market all to itself. Now, most of the northeast has closer casinos. So why should anyone drive down to AC? That's why it's dying.
Agreed 100% could not have said it better.
All those greedy casino owners cared about was separating you from your money AC is nasty the boardwalk is nasty and would anyone not from the AC area make the drive just for outlet shopping. They put all their chickens in one pot now thousands are out of work Its just awful. What happens now
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Old 11-29-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Okay, I just got back from my three day mini-vacation in Atlantic City.

I stayed at Resorts and joined a couple of others for a sumptuous Thanksgiving feast at the Borgata. I even checked out the little art museum on the boardwalk up by the now closed Revel.

A few highly opinionated observations ... the boardwalk casinos seemed slow and nearly dead, but the Borgata still appeared jumping. The boardwalk itself is tacky and sleazy. The T-shirt/souvenir shops, Chinese foot massage parlors, greasy but overpriced eateries lent an overall ambience that is tawdry and 'honky-tonk'. There were a few panhandlers out even though it was chilly and gray out.

I have a theory - and I may be completely off-base - but I think one of the allures of casinos and gambling is that it has a glamorous aspect to it. The casinos themselves are glittery, noisy, and showy. Even if you are not much of a gambler a night out playing the slots, people watching, ogling the attractive barmaids, having an interesting meal, etc. sounds like a lot of fun. Let's face it, most people have pretty humdrum lives and taking in the faux Raj splendor of the Taj Mahal or the decadent tropical atmosphere of the Tropicana is like going to an adult version of DisneyWorld. To my eyes these places - especially the Taj - look worn and tired. The "magic" is gone. All that's left is a kind of vulgar ostentation.

After 10 PM the two main streets - Pacific Ave. and Atlantic Ave. - seem positively scary and sketchy. If you're driving, you feel like rolling up the windows and making sure the doors are locked. Sleazy strip clubs on Pacific near the convention center and all night pawn shops create a depressing and almost dangerous atmosphere.

The Marina District appears well maintained.

My uncle's theory is that AC relied too much on the day trippers coming by bus. Las Vegas attracts overnight weekenders and vacationers that stay a few days. My friend Robert's observation was that while he thought AC was fun and looked forward to going there he complained you get 'nickeled and dimed' to death. He had to make an ATM withdrawal and the fee charged was $4.50 in Resorts and $4.99 in Borgata. We lent him the money so he wouldn't have to pay the ridiculous fee. Casino restaurant - even the informal self serve ones - charged something like $9.50 for a burger, $4.50 for fries, and $3 for a Coke. My uncle pointed out that in Las Vegas - until recently - you could get a shrimp cocktail for 95 cents which was a way to get people in.
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Old 03-24-2015, 05:50 PM
 
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I think I started this thread a long time ago. That's my point , that Marina casinos are fine, especially Borgata and the Boardwalk is dead/ugly/tired and I am a boardwalk/beach lover! Delaware, Chester and Philly aren't competition for A.C. ; they are horrible. The Sands, Parx and Mt Airy are the real competition (also very accessible from NYC). Parx is my least favorite; no great restaurants.
Anyway, maybe upscale is the way to go in the casino industry. Don't count/lure daytrippers. Another favorite of mine is the Seminole Hard Rock, Hollywood. No deals there and they do just fine.
Gambling Grace
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