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Old 12-10-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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Quick and simple reason why South Jersey/Philly in underdeveloped is that their are no industries there. There are 12 Fortune 500 companies between Philadelphia and South Jersey, which isn't much. North Jersey alone has 20 Fortune 500 Companies excluding NYC, which is crazy to think that part of NJ has more than the 6th largest city in the Country.
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Old 12-10-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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Quick and simple reason why South Jersey/Philly in underdeveloped is that their are no industries there. There are 12 Fortune 500 companies between Philadelphia and South Jersey, which isn't much. North Jersey alone has 20 Fortune 500 Companies excluding NYC, which is crazy to think that part of NJ has more than the 6th largest city in the Country.

IMO, in essence the northern half of the state is where it's at.


I'm in South Jersey a little outside of Philly, "it's hickland" (in some parts) in comparison to the NYC market area of NJ which where I lived for 50.5 years.
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Old 12-10-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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Yeah, I'm aware. But he said between Paterson and Jersey City as if there's no development between those two cities, which is just untrue and frankly a bizarre thing to say.

The Meadowlands IS the marshlands, the end of the Hackensack River. Way too much of it has been filled in and developed, destroying wildlife. Giant's Stadium/Meadowlands Sports Complex, hello? Secaucus/Harmon Cove? Some has been preserved, though it was almost too late before that was done.

I guess being from northern New Jersey, the misperception is a little shocking to me. Oh well. I suppose I don't know as much as I should about the wetlands in South Jersey, either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Meadowlands
I noticed that it's all in the Hackensack River area.
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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Yeah, I'm aware. But he said between Paterson and Jersey City as if there's no development between those two cities, which is just untrue and frankly a bizarre thing to say.

The Meadowlands IS the marshlands, the end of the Hackensack River. Way too much of it has been filled in and developed, destroying wildlife. Giant's Stadium/Meadowlands Sports Complex, hello? Secaucus/Harmon Cove? Some has been preserved, though it was almost too late before that was done.

I guess being from northern New Jersey, the misperception is a little shocking to me. Oh well. I suppose I don't know as much as I should about the wetlands in South Jersey, either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Meadowlands
You are mis understanding.
There is a lot of wetlands and marshlands between JC/Hoboken and Newark/Patterson, you have a lot of open, undeveloped meadows between the two urban areas.
My point was, I guess that SJ is so relatively undeveloped especially east of the NJTP is due to wetlands; the same reason why there is a 'gap' of sprawl between JC and Newark, except this is on a much larger scale to encompass most of SJ.
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:37 AM
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You are mis understanding.
There is a lot of wetlands and marshlands between JC/Hoboken and Newark/Patterson, you have a lot of open, undeveloped meadows between the two urban areas.
My point was, I guess that SJ is so relatively undeveloped especially east of the NJTP is due to wetlands; the same reason why there is a 'gap' of sprawl between JC and Newark, except this is on a much larger scale to encompass most of SJ.
OK, that point was not clear to me from your post. That is true. As you probably know, when someone builds on wetlands, they must replace/preserve an equal amount or greater of wetlands in another part of the state. I think a lot of South Jersey wetlands are protected because of what was taken and developed in the Meadowlands before programs like the Riverkeeper came along to protect them.

https://www.hackensackriverkeeper.org/

I also wouldn't call Newark/Paterson its own urban area. They are miles apart and two completely different cities.

Lastly, Mr. William Paterson, signer of the Constitution, for whom the city is named, spelled his name with only one "t".

The northern part of the NJTP is elevated and runs over a part of the Meadowlands. It is amazing how much of it survives despite decades of abuse. One evening I was in my car crawling slowly on the NJTP spur over a section of the Meadowlands Manhattan to the east, industrial messes visible nearby, and just in front and above me flew a great blue heron. It was a beautiful sight. They hang on despite our best efforts to destroy their habitat.
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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I didn't know that about New Jersey wetlands.

While preservation is necessary, this article causes me to feel sad.

https://www.nj.com/salem/2017/11/dis...ng_cabins.html
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:27 PM
 
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I didn't know that about New Jersey wetlands.

While preservation is necessary, this article causes me to feel sad.

https://www.nj.com/salem/2017/11/dis...ng_cabins.html
We've been down that way a few times. My guy is an artist and loves to paint in areas like that.
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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We've been down that way a few times. My guy is an artist and loves to paint in areas like that.
Eakins used to do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rds_Eakins.jpg
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:53 PM
 
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I don't think North Jersey's industry is strong like say Research Triangle. It seems like a lot of population density and housing, and naturally stronger or more developed than South Jersey, but also similar commuting and work outside the state and punching below one's weight.

If it was stronger, I don't think Southwest would have pulled out of Newark. It kind of signaled that business travelers in it's large domestic network that are willing to pay high fares weren't using Newark enough, or paying the high fares into Newark.
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Old 12-12-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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South Jersey in mostly the Pinelands Reserve. Everything East of the Parkway is mostly tourism driven. The Train stops in Bayville so there is no public transportation to anything.

Everything else is a suburb of Phili or NYC in Northern and Central NJ.
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