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Old 11-29-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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General contractor (not a licensed electrician) moving 2 outlets (in addition to other work). Should i be concerned?
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Old 11-29-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania & New Jersey
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General contractor (not a licensed electrician) moving 2 outlets (in addition to other work). Should i be concerned?
Be concerned only if the guy is a complete moron -- but then you wouldn't have hired him in the first place, right? Moving two electrical outlets is probably just a little less complicated than changing the oil in your car's engine. A doofus could foul it up, but anyone with a little know-how should do fine.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:24 AM
 
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Be concerned only if the guy is a complete moron -- but then you wouldn't have hired him in the first place, right? Moving two electrical outlets is probably just a little less complicated than changing the oil in your car's engine. A doofus could foul it up, but anyone with a little know-how should do fine.
lol, thanks for the reply
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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i do not believe he is allowed to do it unless he is a licensed electrician.

changing oil will not catch your house on fire.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:50 AM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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While Electrical work is not rocket science ( I never would have had a license) it does require code knowledge which most hammer and nail contractors know nothing about. Also your insurance will not cover electrical work not inspected and your GC cannot get an electrical permit on his own.
There are plenty of people who know how to install receptacle or switch outlets. Only Licensed Electrical contractor inspected work is covered by your insurance co.
Some General Contractors will try to talk you into a homeowner permit. This is legal but you bear the responsibility if something goes wrong.
But what could possibly go wrong with installing a couple outlets?
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:52 AM
 
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Also your insurance will not cover electrical work not inspected and your GC cannot get an electrical permit on his own.

Only Licensed Electrical contractor inspected work is covered by your insurance co.
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by saying this, are you implying that should a fire occur as a result of the electrical work, the insurance company would not pay for damges?

if this is what you are saying, then it's not accurate information.
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:14 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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why would only a licensed electrician be allowed to do this? this is something you could DIY if you wanted to, quite easily too. you may want to use an electrician for piece-of-mind, but this is only a touch more complicated than putting a sconce on the wall or installing a cieling fan to existing wiring...
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Old 11-30-2010, 11:05 AM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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by saying this, are you implying that should a fire occur as a result of the electrical work, the insurance company would not pay for damges?

if this is what you are saying, then it's not accurate information.
I know exactly what I am talking about. If you have a fire in your house the fire inspector will be there before the fire dept leaves. He is there to determine cause of the fire. If it is determined electrical, he will ask if the "new" work was inspected if it was not and that was the cause of the fire your insurance co. will decide weather or not they will pay for the repairs.

BTW I know plenty of electricians who will do work cheaply and they don't get inspections because "what could possibly go wrong"
Your insurance co. is relying on the electrical inspection agency to insure the work was done properly
Otherwise there is absolutely no need to have electrical work inspected.
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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I know exactly what I am talking about. If you have a fire in your house the fire inspector will be there before the fire dept leaves. He is there to determine cause of the fire. If it is determined electrical, he will ask if the "new" work was inspected if it was not and that was the cause of the fire your insurance co. will decide weather or not they will pay for the repairs.
i've been in the insurance business for 22 yrs. in that time, i have yet to run across a policy (commercial or personal) that would exclude coverage for a fire loss caused by unlicensed electrical work.

fire is a covered peril on all virtually property insurance policies. the only exclusion are for those fires intentionally set by the insured (and unfortunately even this is very hard to prove).
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:37 PM
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i've been in the insurance business for 22 yrs. in that time, i have yet to run across a policy (commercial or personal) that would exclude coverage for a fire loss caused by unlicensed electrical work.

fire is a covered peril on all virtually property insurance policies. the only exclusion are for those fires intentionally set by the insured (and unfortunately even this is very hard to prove).
Then you also know that the number one cause of house fires is electrical failure.
You may be in the insurance business but are you an insurance claims investigator?
As a Licensed Contractor in NJ I have had deal with fire inspectors and claims investigators.

Why do I argue with folks who insist on doing what is against all common sense. Is saving a few bucks more important than ones safety?

I give up
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